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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>27 Jan 2010</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0064.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Erik, Davy, Raphael, Conrad_(IRC), Silvia, Philip</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Jack, Yves, Michael</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Raphael, Eric</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Raphael</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">F2F Meeting</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">3. Discussion</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">4. AOB</a></li>
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</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 27 January
2010</p>
<p class='phone'>Conrad, are you reading IRC only?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Raphael</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
raphael</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>
<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20
January 2009 telecon: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-127?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-127 -- Yves
Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 --
OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Minutes of 24/01 are accepted</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-127?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-127 -- Yves
Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 --
OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Thierry is taking care of that</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we discuss yesterday the
charter, and Philippe agree to one year extension for working
on Media Fragment 1.0 only<br />
... I made the request today to W3M<br />
... I expect a positive answer since the domain leader
agrees<br />
... I and Philippe emphasize we need to go to last call
asap</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Goal:</cite> important f2f next month,
try to solve all issues in order to be prepared to be last call
in March</p>
<h3 id="item02">F2F Meeting</h3>
<p class='phone'>Draft agenda: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> I will update the venue
details on the wiki</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> I will book zakim for
these 2 days<br />
... 08 and 09 March, 08:00 AM till 18:00 PM European time</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> please, enter topic of
discussion of things you would like to have sorted out during
the f2f meeting<br />
... ALL, complete <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation</a></p>
<h3 id="item03">3. Discussion</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I pointed out a weird
character in the document</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> might be an encoding
problem ... UTF-8 displays solves it</p><a name="action01" id=
"action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to fix the weird character in
the spec document [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - troncy</p>
<p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> feedback from FOMS<br />
... discussion about Focus Attention behavior<br />
... see <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html</a><br />
... discussion between Conrad, I and Mozilla firefox developers
and Philip<br />
... we need to look at the # as a focus in the player<br />
... comes back at the in-context / out-of-context previous
discussion<br />
... we should recommend what a UA should do in the UI when it
is displaying a media fragment</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> for the spatial fragment,
you will recommend that a UA will draw a rectangle on the
region ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> A browser can always
overrule what we say<br />
... we haven't really dicussed spatial fragments
rendering<br />
... spatial is anyways very spatial, is it really a fragment
?<br />
... we have discussed the temporal fragment, 99% of our use
cases :-)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I agree, let's focus on
the temporal fragment rendering in UI<br />
... I'm looking at <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing</a><br />
... the Section 5 of the current draft</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> oh noes, I missed it
didn't I?</p>
<p class='phone'>nope philip, not yet</p>
<p class='phone'>we are half of the telecon :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> oh, we started 30
minutes ago, righht?</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to draft a new subsection in
the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI of media
fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-130
- Draft a new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the
rendering in the UI of media fragments, at least for the
temporal dimension [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-03].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I haven't thought about
other dimensions</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I will think about
rendering for other dimensions (spatial and tracks)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> another thread of
discussion on the mailing list has been triggered by Werner:
temporal fragments of media with time stamps</p>
<p class='phone'>See <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>My summary: <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> how should we handle
that?<br />
... SMPTE was motivated by frame-based access to media</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> let's restrict to time
continuous type of media<br />
... timestamps are just markers</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> contiguously marked
SMPTE time codes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>ACYTION:</cite> Davy to write down a new
ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner
(see also raphael's summary)</p><a name="action03" id=
"action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to write down a new ISSUE in the
tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also
raphael's summary) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-131
- Write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem
raised by werner (see also raphael's summary) [on Davy Van
Deursen - due 2010-02-03].</p>
<p class='phone'>Last thing we need to discuss are the proposed
changes of Philip</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>See:</cite> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> lucky I got here in
time then :)</p>
<p class='phone'>Philip, are you joining us on the phone ?</p>
<p class='phone'>We would like to discuss your proposed
changes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> I'll see if I can
phone in</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Why did we choose ABNF
syntax in a first place ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> can't remember why we
choosed that</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> let's ask Yves if he
agrees to this change<br />
... and more generally, to the group for the new
paragraphs</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael will ask on the mailing list
if anybody has any problem with these changes proposed by
Philip [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - Raphael</p>
<h3 id="item04">4. AOB</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> we should clearly mark
the stable sections in the document<br />
... for the mozilla developpers</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> and Opera developers
:)</p>
<p class='phone'>of course :-)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Philip:</cite> one more issue ...
dealing with decimal point ?</p>
<p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped</a></p><a name="action05"
id="action05"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Philip to send to the mailing list a
description of a new issue to be discussed (dealing with
decimal for specifying time?) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-132
- Send to the mailing list a description of a new issue to be
discussed (dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [on
Philip Jägenstedt - due 2010-02-03].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I think we mainly now
need to discuss the section 5.2.1.x</p><a name="action06" id=
"action06"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik will try to generate some time
diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-133
- Will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol
description in the section 5.2.1.x [on Erik Mannens - due
2010-02-03].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ALL to not forget to add
items for the agenda for the upcoming F2F meeting</p>
<p class='phone'>[meeting adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to write
down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by
werner (see also raphael's summary) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik will try to
generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the
section 5.2.1.x [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philip to send to
the mailing list a description of a new issue to be discussed
(dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael will ask
on the mailing list if anybody has any problem with these changes
proposed by Philip [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to draft a
new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI
of media fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to fix the
weird character in the spec document [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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