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<li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Agenda_Preparation"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Agenda Preparation</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Participants"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Participants</span></a>
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<li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Remotes_Details"><span class="tocnumber">2.1</span> <span class="toctext">Remotes Details</span></a></li>
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<li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Monday_2010-03-08.2C_09:00-18:00"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Monday 2010-03-08, 09:00-18:00</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Tuesday_2010-03-09.2C_09:00-15:30"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Tuesday 2010-03-09, 09:00-15:30</span></a>
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<li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Venue_Details"><span class="tocnumber">4.1</span> <span class="toctext">Venue Details</span></a>
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<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Hotel"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.1</span> <span class="toctext">Hotel</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Meeting_venue"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.2</span> <span class="toctext">Meeting venue</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#How_to_get_to_..._Ghent_from_Brussels_Airport"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.3</span> <span class="toctext">How to get to ... Ghent from Brussels Airport</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#How_to_get_to_..._Ghent_from_Amsterdam_Airport"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.4</span> <span class="toctext">How to get to ... Ghent from Amsterdam Airport</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#How_to_get_to_..._IBIS_Hotel"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.5</span> <span class="toctext">How to get to ... IBIS Hotel</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#How_to_get_to_..._IBBT"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.6</span> <span class="toctext">How to get to ... IBBT</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Social_event"><span class="tocnumber">4.1.7</span> <span class="toctext">Social event</span></a></li>
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<a name="Agenda_Preparation" id="Agenda_Preparation"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Agenda Preparation </span></h2>
<ul><li> The <b>main</b> objective of this 5th F2F meeting is to get another document to <b>PUBLISH</b> and be closest as possible to <b>LCWD</b>!
</li></ul>
<a name="Participants" id="Participants"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Participants </span></h2>
<ul><li> Confirmed: Erik, Davy, Jack, Yves, Raphaël
</li><li> Remotes: Silvia, Michael, Conrad, Philip
</li><li> Observers: Franck
</li><li> Unknown: Guillaume
</li></ul>
<a name="Remotes_Details" id="Remotes_Details"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline"> Remotes Details </span></h3>
<ul><li> Zakim:
<ul><li> Bridge US: +1-617-761-6200 | FR: +33.4.89.06.34.99 | UK: +44.117.370.6152
</li><li> Conference code: 3724# (spells "FRAG")
</li><li> IRC channel: #mediafrag on irc.w3.org:6665
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
<a name="Monday_2010-03-08.2C_09:00-18:00" id="Monday_2010-03-08.2C_09:00-18:00"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Monday 2010-03-08, 09:00-18:00 </span></h2>
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<td width="15%"> 09:00 - 09:30
</td><td width="85%"> Administrative: coffee, agenda, etc.
</td></tr>
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<td> 09:30 - 11:00
</td><td> Yves/Silvia/Conrad/Jack/Philip: <b>Media Fragments syntax</b>
<ol><li> WG decision for expressing wall-clock time code (<b>Yves</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description: Two ways for representing wall-clock time code: ISO way followed by HTML5 and RTSP (RFC2326) or RFC3339 (subset of ISO 8601). Which one to re-use and reference&nbsp;? See also <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#clock-time" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#clock-time" rel="nofollow">section 4.2.1.3</a>
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 10 min
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: WG decision
</li></ul>
</li><li> WG decision: having quotes or not for name and id dimensions (<b>Erik</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description / URL: see <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/150" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/150" rel="nofollow">ACTION-150</a>
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 20 min
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: WG decision
</li></ul>
</li><li> Multiple tracks (<b>Raphael</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description / URL: What is the media fragment URI that correspond to a selection of 2 tracks of a media file? What is the HTTP request and HTTP response generated?
<ul><li> Should the separator be something else than a comma?
</li><li> Suggestion from Silvia/Conrad: <a href="http://example.com/video.ogv#track=subtitle;audio" class="external free" title="http://example.com/video.ogv#track=subtitle;audio" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/video.ogv#track=subtitle;audio</a>
</li></ul>
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 30 min
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: get the syntax worked out and done
</li></ul>
</li><li> Multiple but equivalent Content-Range headers (<b>Silvia</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description / URL: long thread at <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Mar/0020.html" class="external free" title="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Mar/0020.html" rel="nofollow">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Mar/0020.html</a>
<ul><li> Multiple header fields with the same field name MUST NOT be sent in a message unless the entire field value for that header field is defined as a comma-separated list (i.e., #(values)). Multiple header fields with the same field name can be combined into one "field-name: field-value" pair, without changing the semantics of the message, by appending each subsequent field value to the combined field value in order, separated by a comma <a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-08#section-3.2" class="external text" title="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-08#section-3.2" rel="nofollow">ref</a>.
</li><li> We cannot use several Content-Range headers for different things
</li></ul>
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 30 min ... but also related to the general objective of defining ABNF syntax for HTTP headers
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: decide how media fragments request with server help should be answered
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
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<td> 11:00 - 11:30
</td><td> <b>Refreshment Break</b>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td> 11:30 - 13:00
</td><td> ALL: <b>Protocol Handling</b>
<ol><li> ABNF syntax for HTTP headers (request and response) (<b> Yves</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description / URL: Discuss and decide the formal syntax for the headers (including the new ones introduced if any)
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 1,5 hour max
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: bits of syntax included in the spec document
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
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<td> 13:00 - 14:00
</td><td> <b>Lunch</b>
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<td> 14:00 - 15:30
</td><td> ALL: <b>Protocol Handling (cont.)</b>
<ol><li> Progress each of the dimensions towards LCWD (<b>Silvia</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description: the spatial, track and named dimensions have not been progressed as much as the temporal dimension. The main aim of this meeting should be to progress those as far as possible towards LCWD.
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: As much as possible, at least 3 hours each.
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: development of subsections for these dimensions similar to temporal dimension.
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td> 15:30 - 16:00
</td><td> <b>Refreshment Break</b>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td> 16:00 - 18:00
</td><td> ALL: <b>Protocol Handling (cont.)</b>
<ol><li> Progress each of the dimensions towards LCWD (<b>Silvia</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description: the spatial, track and named dimensions have not been progressed as much as the temporal dimension. The main aim of this meeting should be to progress those as far as possible towards LCWD.
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: As much as possible, at least 3 hours each.
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: development of subsections for these dimensions similar to temporal dimension.
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
</td></tr></table>
<a name="Tuesday_2010-03-09.2C_09:00-15:30" id="Tuesday_2010-03-09.2C_09:00-15:30"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Tuesday 2010-03-09, 09:00-15:30 </span></h2>
<table style="width:100%;" border="1" cellpadding="2">

<tr valign="top">
<td width="15%"> 09:00 - 09:30
</td><td width="85%"> Administrative: coffee, agenda, etc.
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<td> 09:30 - 11:00
</td><td> Michael: <b>Test Cases</b>
<ol><li> Review all Test Cases entered into Corrib (<b>Michael</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description / URL: Go through and review all test cases, Behavior for over-specified dimension: error or not?
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 1,5 hours max
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: TC are marked up as validated and data is updated into corrib
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
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<td> 11:00 - 11:30
</td><td> <b>Refreshment Break</b>
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<tr>
<td> 11:30 - 13:00
</td><td> Davy: <b>Implementation Reports</b>
<ol><li> Rendering Media Fragments in UA (<b>Davy</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description / URL: How to render media fragments in UA? See also <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135" rel="nofollow">ACTION-135</a>
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 45 min max (including demo)
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: identify implementation difficulties, provide input for spatial and track fragment discussion
</li></ul>
</li><li> Other implementations in the pipeline (<b>ALL</b>)
<ul><li> Estimate time of discussion: 45 min max
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: planning for upcoming experiments and implementations
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
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<td> 13:00 - 14:00
</td><td> <b>Lunch</b>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td> 14:00 - 15:30
</td><td> Raphael: <b>Actions/Issues Discussion/Wrap up</b>
<ol><li> Review all actions and issues and discuss / close as appropriate
<ul><li> Estimate time of discussion: 1,5 hours max
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: concrete common view of what is left to be discussed
</li></ul>
</li><li> Should we split the spec document (<b>Raphael</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description: the temporal dimension starts to be very stable and could soon be push forward to the rec track. We should discuss whether dealing with all the other dimensions into the same document does or does not slow down the process given the pressure to get some documents out quickly!
</li><li> Estimate time of discussion: 1/2 hour max
</li><li> Concrete objectives to reach: take a formal resolution, hopefully by consensus.
</li></ul>
</li><li> Go through the spec document and mark up the stable sections (<b>Raphael</b>)
<ul><li> Brief description: Go through the Sections 4 and 5 of the <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/" rel="nofollow">spec draft</a> and mark whether they are stable or not for web developers
</li><li> Estimate time: 1/2 hour max
</li><li> Concrete objective: a new colored document containing the stable sections marked up
</li></ul>
</li></ol>
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<a name="Venue_Details" id="Venue_Details"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline"> Venue Details </span></h3>
<a name="Hotel" id="Hotel"></a><h4> <span class="mw-headline"> Hotel </span></h4>
<p><a href="http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-0961-ibis-gent-centrum-st-baafs-kathedraal/index.shtml" class="external text" title="http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-0961-ibis-gent-centrum-st-baafs-kathedraal/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">IBIS Cathedral Hotel</a>
(<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;mrt=all&amp;sll=51.036247,3.735359&amp;sspn=0.009202,0.018969&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;iwloc=addr" class="external text" title="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;mrt=all&amp;sll=51.036247,3.735359&amp;sspn=0.009202,0.018969&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;iwloc=addr" rel="nofollow">on Google Maps</a>)
</p>
<ul><li> Limburgstraat 2, 9000 Ghent
</li><li> price per night: +/- 90 € (single room)
</li><li> Reservations can be made online
</li></ul>
<a name="Meeting_venue" id="Meeting_venue"></a><h4> <span class="mw-headline"> Meeting venue </span></h4>
<p>IBBT
(<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;mrt=all&amp;sll=51.036247,3.735359&amp;sspn=0.009202,0.018969&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;iwloc=r0" class="external text" title="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;mrt=all&amp;sll=51.036247,3.735359&amp;sspn=0.009202,0.018969&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;iwloc=r0" rel="nofollow">on Google Maps</a>)
</p>
<ul><li> Gaston Crommenlaan 8, 9050 Ghent-Ledeberg, <b>bus 102</b>
</li><li> Floor 1 (lefthandside of elevator, meeting room BeBox)
</li></ul>
<a name="How_to_get_to_..._Ghent_from_Brussels_Airport" id="How_to_get_to_..._Ghent_from_Brussels_Airport"></a><h4> <span class="mw-headline"> How to get to ... Ghent from Brussels Airport </span></h4>
<p>The closest airport to Ghent is Zaventem National Airport.
</p>
<ul><li> The easiest way getting to Ghent is by taxi (+32 9 222 22 22): prices for transport between Ghent and Zavemtem National Airport vary from 90€ (standard car, up to 4 people) to 110€ (minibus, up tot 8 people), ordering during office hour is recommended.
</li><li> The cheapest way getting to Ghent is by railway from Zaventem National Airport to Gent Sint-Pieters. <a href="http://www.b-rail.be/main/E/index.php" class="external text" title="http://www.b-rail.be/main/E/index.php" rel="nofollow">Railway Company Info</a>: time tables and other information can be found when entering from ‘BRUXELLES NAT AIRPORT’ to ‘GENT SINT PIETERS’. The ride takes approximately 1 hour, "one way" costs about 10€ and there are trains almost every 10 minutes.
</li></ul>
<a name="How_to_get_to_..._Ghent_from_Amsterdam_Airport" id="How_to_get_to_..._Ghent_from_Amsterdam_Airport"></a><h4> <span class="mw-headline"> How to get to ... Ghent from Amsterdam Airport </span></h4>
<p>The cheapest way getting to Ghent from Holland is by railway from Schiphol Airport to Gent Sint-Pieters. <a href="http://www.b-rail.be/main/E/index.php" class="external text" title="http://www.b-rail.be/main/E/index.php" rel="nofollow">Railway Company Info</a>: time tables and other information can be found when entering from ‘SCHIPHOL AIRPORT’ to ‘GENT SINT PIETERS’ using the 'international' option. The ride takes approximately 3 hours, "one way" costs about 40€ and the latest train arriving the same day departs around 20:00.
</p>
<a name="How_to_get_to_..._IBIS_Hotel" id="How_to_get_to_..._IBIS_Hotel"></a><h4> <span class="mw-headline"> How to get to ... IBIS Hotel </span></h4>
<p>With public transportation from railway station Gent Sint-Pieters to IBIS Cathedral hotel: by taxi (+32 9 222 22 22) or by trolley (number 4 to stop Belfort or to stop Korenmarkt, followed by a 0.4 km walk to the hotel)
</p><p>(<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;saddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+st.+pieters+station&amp;daddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=51.0442,3.73239&amp;sspn=0.018402,0.037937&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=51.044659,3.717756&amp;spn=0.018401,0.037937&amp;t=h&amp;z=15" class="external text" title="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;saddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+st.+pieters+station&amp;daddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=51.0442,3.73239&amp;sspn=0.018402,0.037937&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=51.044659,3.717756&amp;spn=0.018401,0.037937&amp;t=h&amp;z=15" rel="nofollow">Google Maps: From Train station to Hotel</a>)
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<p>The meeting will be held in the IBBT-headquarters at Gaston Crommenlaan 8, bus 102 at Ghent-Ledeberg. Again trolley line 4 is the most suitable: drive till stop Ledeberg, Hundelgemsesteemweg, Jacques Eggermontstraat. You are now in walking distance from IBBT.
</p><p>(<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;saddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;daddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+Gaston+crommenlaan+8&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=51.044525,3.73237&amp;sspn=0.018401,0.037937&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=51.044578,3.731618&amp;spn=0.018401,0.037937&amp;t=h&amp;z=15" class="external text" title="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;saddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+Limburgstraat+2&amp;daddr=Belgium,+Ghent,+Gaston+crommenlaan+8&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=51.044525,3.73237&amp;sspn=0.018401,0.037937&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=51.044578,3.731618&amp;spn=0.018401,0.037937&amp;t=h&amp;z=15" rel="nofollow">Google Maps: From Hotel to IBBT</a>)
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<p>'Surprise' on Monday Evening&nbsp;:)
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