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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>09 Sep 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
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  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

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    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Michael, Raphael, Yves, Wonsuk, Silvia(irc), Erik</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Davy, Conrad</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik/Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>raphael</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. UC &amp; REQUIREMENTS:</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. SPECIFICATION</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. TEST CASES</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">5. ISSUES</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">6. AOB</a></li>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 09 September
    2009</p>

    <p class='phone'>Regret+ Jack</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    raphael</p>

    <p class='phone'>Informal discussion about the syntax of the
    Range unit syntax</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> can we have multiple
    values in the Acept-Ranges ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> yes, comma separated</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I would also suggest to
    use the cue-values, like the accept header<br />
    ... for example, I accept npt with 0.8 and smpte-30 with
    0.2</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> makes less sense [I didn't
    get why]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; &lt;&lt;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; The response-header
    "Accept-Ranges" field allows the server to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; indicate its
    acceptance of range requests for a resource:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; &gt;&gt;</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> but then, what does it
    mean, they are equal ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> yes, the server decides</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 02
    September 2009 telecon</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='phone'>Minutes accepted</p>

    <p class='phone'>Virtual F2F meeting: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FourthF2FAgenda">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FourthF2FAgenda</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw">http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Unfortunately:</cite> for the meeting,
    Jack will not make it and Yves is at risk</p>

    <p class='phone'>Jack will be on irc</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ALL:</cite> please, complete the agenda
    with background reading material to prepare the meeting</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. UC &amp; REQUIREMENTS:</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-95?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-95 --
    Michael Hausenblas to review ALL UC with a mobile hat on and
    check whether these sufficiently cover the mobile usage -- due
    2009-09-02 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/95">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/95</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>-- continue</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-101?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-101 -- Yves
    Lafon to write a UC describing the use of aspect ratio feature
    and thus motivating its usage -- due 2009-09-02 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/101">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/101</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-101</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-101 Write a
    UC describing the use of aspect ratio feature and thus
    motivating its usage closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>We received 3 reviews from MAWG</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0008.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0008.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0012.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0012.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0013.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0013.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Werner to introduce other units such as
    smpte-50 and smpte-60</p>

    <p class='phone'>Nobody against ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>[silence]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; ok with this, (but we
    should avoid explosion of units)</p><a name="action01" id=
    "action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> raphael to address all comments and
    write a reply to MAWG [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - raphael</p>

    <p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p><a name="action02" id=
    "action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphaël to address all comments and
    write a reply to MAWG [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Could not create
    new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what
    happened.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> should we have also a
    paragraph, directed to the MPEG-21 community why we are doing
    that?</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphaël to draft a paragraph
    explaining upfront in the document why we are doing that ...
    justification for the MPEG community [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Could not create
    new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what
    happened.</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Troncy to draft a paragraph explaining
    upfront in the document why we are doing that ... justification
    for the MPEG community [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Could not create
    new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what
    happened.</p>

    <p class='phone'>Good we have finally one review of our
    document from a WG</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I will contact TAG once
    more<br />
    ... and tell them our current design choice regarding the use
    of ? when transcoding is necessary</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. SPECIFICATION</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-103?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-103 --
    Silvia Pfeiffer to write a paragraph in our 2 documents, most
    likely within the Terminology sections, explaining that when we
    say URI, we mean URI Ref -- due 2009-09-09 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/103">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/103</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-103</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-103 Write a
    paragraph in our 2 documents, most likely within the
    Terminology sections, explaining that when we say URI, we mean
    URI Ref closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Silvia has proposed a paragraph</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael has slightly updated it, now present
    in the 2 documents</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-49?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-49 -- Yves
    Lafon to draft the HTTP-Range syntax for different units
    (completing all the syntax for the two way handshake) -- due
    2009-09-02 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-49</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-49 Draft
    the HTTP-Range syntax for different units (completing all the
    syntax for the two way handshake) closed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> my proposal is to re-use
    the same kind of syntax than for bytes<br />
    ... for the Range header: Range: &lt;timeformat&gt; '='
    &lt;start time&gt; - &lt;end time&gt;<br />
    ... and for the Content-Range header<br />
    ... Content-Range: &lt;timeformat&gt; ' ' &lt;real start
    time&gt; '-' &lt;real end time&gt; '/' &lt;total
    duration&gt;<br />
    ... since we are not using '-' and '/' in our syntax, it is
    safe<br />
    ... there are a number of things to do ... register some units,
    such as npt, smpte-30, etc.</p>

    <p class='phone'>One issue: the duration for some unit might
    not be easy to define</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> would welcome the opinion
    of Jack and Davy</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I have proposed also
    another solution, more flexible, but a bit more complex<br />
    ... we could then mix units (bad?) but it solves the duration
    problem</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; issue is when you are
    requesting a fragment of a smpte-indexed video</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; if the beginning of
    the file is not 0:0:0.0</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; then you have an issue
    expressing duration</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; (if you use the same
    unit)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I think that smpte
    information is embedded in the file</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-69?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-69 --
    Conrad Parker to draw a representation of the general structure
    of a media resource, for streamable formats (H/H' + K + D1 + D2
    + D3) -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>I will chase Conrad, we need this picture</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-104?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-104 -- Yves
    Lafon to start a thread on the mailing list to summarize the
    state of the discussion regarding ? and # (? when transcoding
    happening, #for other cases) + use of URI template for ? -- due
    2009-09-09 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/104">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/104</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-104</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-104 Start a
    thread on the mailing list to summarize the state of the
    discussion regarding ? and # (? when transcoding happening,
    #for other cases) + use of URI template for ? closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>A long thread has started</p>

    <p class='phone'>only Silvia and I have answered so far</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0016.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0016.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> having 2 ways for
    expressing the same thing might make the standard too complex
    to implement<br />
    ... for me, a fragment is definitively a 'hash'<br />
    ... needs to have another thought</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> same here, we need to
    discuss it with Davy</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I will put that upfront
    on the agenda, with background reading, so everybody must have
    an opinion</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; We have to accept the
    definitions of URIs where a fragment has a specific meaning</p>

    <p class='phone'>I agree</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; if some of the
    operations that we require on media documents do not fall under
    this definition, we cannot do it with fragments</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; it is not our choice
    to redefine URI fragments and queries</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> the problem is that the
    specific meaning for fragments is loosely defined
    currently<br />
    ... and up to many interpretations</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; not really</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; nessy, why
    not?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> thus the open question
    to the TAG group</p>

    <p class='phone'>Summary on protocol issue: <a href=
    "http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/08/uri-fragments-vs-uri-queries-for-media-fragment-addressing/">
    http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/08/uri-fragments-vs-uri-queries-for-media-fragment-addressing/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; it clearly states
    that it is relates to a primary resource</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; "The fragment
    identifier component of a URI allows indirect</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; identification of a
    secondary resource by reference to a primary</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; resource and
    additional identifying information."</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; quoted from <a href=
    "http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>The problem is that we DON'T know if when you
    do transcoding, this is part or not of the primary resource</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; a transcoded resource
    is not identical to the primary resource</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. TEST CASES</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> have hack corrib,
    <a href=
    "http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/">http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> where do you have this
    statement written?</p>

    <p class='phone'>"a transcoded resource is not identical to the
    primary resource" &lt;- needs a ref :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; it's in the nature of
    what a URI is</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> motivation, have a
    collaborative tool to directly generate the test cases in RDF
    ... instead of editing on wiki and then do a manual
    conversion</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; different transcoded
    representations have to be different resources</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> what you say is
    appealing, but needs to be defined somewhere</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> and in particular, where
    to define the border?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; so, if the primary
    resource is addressed by <a href=
    "http://example.com/xxx">http://example.com/xxx</a> , how do
    you address the transcoded resource?</p>

    <p class='phone'>is the black and white version of an image a
    different resource and not part of the primary version?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; I can only think of
    two ways of doing it: <a href=
    "http://example.com/yyy">http://example.com/yyy</a> or <a href=
    "http://example.com/xxx?transcode">http://example.com/xxx?transcode</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; even if the server
    creates the black and white version on the fly, it still
    requires a different URI to tell the server to create it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; see <a href=
    "http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/mftc.rdf">http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/mftc.rdf</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; we know that even
    trying to identify the same resource in different
    representations for different languages hasn't worked and
    people generally use index.en.html and index.de.html etc</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> silvia, one could argue
    this is a different representation of the same resource, just
    degraded, that could be serve with the same URI<br />
    ... Silvia, not in the SW world, and honnestly, content
    negotiation based on languages is very widely deployed on the
    web nowadays</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to add the missing test cases
    in corrib [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-108
    - Add the missing test cases in corrib [on Michael Hausenblas -
    due 2009-09-16].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> but please, all, you
    should give it a try</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-93?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-93 --
    Michael Hausenblas to revisit the TC and see which are effected
    by the temporal-optional-comma-decision -- due 2009-07-29 --
    OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/93">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/93</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>-- continue</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; Accept-Language is
    part of http - there is no content negotiation for transcoding
    defined in http, so it can only work through query parameters
    with the current web</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I will add line number
    but not explicitely number for TC by next week<br />
    ... and I will complete my actions</p>

    <h3 id="item05">5. ISSUES</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-82?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-82 --
    Michael Hausenblas to flesh out TC vocabulary re ISSUE-9 -- due
    2009-07-31 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/82">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/82</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>-- continue (still)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> but it is easier now
    that Corrib is in place</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-82</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-82 Flesh
    out TC vocabulary re ISSUE-9 closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>we don't need it anymore</p>

    <p class='phone'>but the iSSUE remains open</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Davy is wroking on his
    action and it will be ready for next week</p>

    <h3 id="item06">6. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'>[silence]</p>

    <p class='phone'>no telecon next week but the virtual f2f</p>

    <p class='phone'>I think i know why I cannot have anymore AP,
    maybe because i have changed affiliation</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to add
  the missing test cases in corrib [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> raphael to
  address all comments and write a reply to MAWG [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphaël to
  address all comments and write a reply to MAWG [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphaël to draft
  a paragraph explaining upfront in the document why we are doing
  that ... justification for the MPEG community [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Troncy to draft a
  paragraph explaining upfront in the document why we are doing
  that ... justification for the MPEG community [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

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