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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>MAWG</h1>
<h2>08 Sep 2009</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>joakim, chris, tobias, wonsuk, raphael, fsasaki, tmichel,
florian, wbailer</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Daniel</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>fsasaki</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">agenda</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">action items</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">API related questions</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Digital Data Exchange</a></li>
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</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> hi thierry!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: fsasaki</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> trackbot, start
teleco</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, raphael, I
don't understand 'trackbot, start teleco'. Please refer to
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc</a>
for help</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> trackbot, start
telecon</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Meeting: Media
Annotations Working Group Teleconference</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 08 September
2009</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> hello thierry
joined</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I am not sure
Daniel can make it to the call</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> I can do it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Joakim can you
Chair on behalf of Daniel ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Thanks for Chairing
at last minute, Joakim</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> agenda</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html</a></p>
<h3 id="item01">agenda</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> chair: joakim</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>last weeks minutes approved</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for accepting
the minutes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I can scribe it</p>
<p class='phone'>scribe for next meeting will be raphael</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> raphael to scribe
next week</p>
<h3 id="item02">action items</h3>
<p class='phone'>ai 124 pending</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-134, ACTION-135 pending</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/web/ebu_RoleCodeCS_p.xml.htm">http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/web/ebu_RoleCodeCS_p.xml.htm</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-136 . Joakim looked at tvanytime
document, seems to be useful. Question: can we use it?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> we should just reference
the document<br />
... question: are the subtypes normative or just a recommended
list?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Which type of list
we are talking about ? the genre ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> EBU-list is quite
comprehensive, people could use just a subset of these</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> roles</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> is TV Anytime
defining these roles as MPEG-7 CS as in the old time ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> keep ACTION-136 open for
now</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-147</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> raphael, ebu has
these lists also as skos now</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-147?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-147 --
Thierry Michel to check status of Web IDL for web api's -- due
2009-07-03 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/147">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/147</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> sent a message to doug
from webapp WG</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> wow, great move for
EBU :-)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> webIDL is just a working
draft so far, they need us and other working groups who use
it<br />
... doug says currently webIDL is used by HTML5, plan is to use
it also for DOM3 events<br />
... summary: status is still unclear, but it is being
used<br />
... webIDL provides ecmascript and javascript bindings and it
is easier to user than IDL. My conclusion is that we should
investigate into that spec</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> only drawback is that
web IDL is not fully stable yet</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> isnt't that a
chicken-egg problem?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> I could check how much
HTML5 is using web IDL</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> who knows web IDL or IDL
?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> I don't know web IDL, it
could be a problem for preparing the API draft</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> Victor has come up
with an IDL version of the API some weeks ago</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> I don't have
knowledge about WebIDL either.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> yes he should be
familiar with it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> I don't have
knowledge on it but plan to go through the spec</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> WebIDL: <a href=
"http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/">http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> i can also look
into it and help specifying</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> two or three people
should look into web IDL before we decide about using it</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> victor has a good
knowledge about IDL</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> yes, victor should be in
this task group</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to look into web idl with
victor and others [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-152
- Look into web idl with victor and others [on Thierry Michel -
due 2009-09-15].</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-148</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> big issue is that we have
to decide what kind of API is better<br />
... the related issues are on our agenda, want to discuss about
them later</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> I think style a), very
simple, is an advantage</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> would like to know other
people thinking who were not at the f2f</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> we need to have a
decision on this soon</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chris:</cite> not clear to everybody
what the API is that we have in mind</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1 @ chris</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chris:</cite> the strawman API on the
wiki is a bit fuzzy<br />
... maybe we can come up with a first version of the API
document and see what the other people think of it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I would support
Chris/Florian proposal for the API document, see <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> so we need it more
concrete before making a decision</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chris:</cite> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> also Tobias and
Vero made comments to the document</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I thought Victor
worked on that? Should we ask him on the list what is the
status of his work?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> victor plans more work
on API document. Maybe he could give us some clues about in
which direction we should go</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> propose that we prepare
the API document and also contact victor, in parallel</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> yes, we don't have too
much time, so good to continue working<br />
... need somebody to push the API document forward</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> I will contact victor, I
am working with him in the MPEG WG too</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Chris also
volunteered in his email to contribute: <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> and I shall</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1 :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>>
get-mawg-unstructured-value</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> or
get-mawg-Creator</p>
<p class='phone'>wonsuk describing different feedback about his
proposals for API structure. not sure how to move forward, we
need a decision which way to go</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> want to know vote of
people on the call: what do they want?<br />
... prepare the abstract description of the API and make the
concrete proposal later<br />
... is that right?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> problem is that people
are not quite sure about what we are taking a decision: a
function for each property or not</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I suggest to put
himself in the body of the developer using MAWG API</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ...
get-mawg-Creator (or a function for any annotation property) is
useful, I can't see the use case for a
get-mawg-unstructured-value function</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> API should be just
useful for a common developer<br />
... for each function we should wonder how it would be useful
for the developer<br />
... any function which is related to an annotation property in
the ontology seems to be useful</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> an API with names of
functions which are directly related to properties in the
ontology are easy to understand, abstraction might be more
difficult for finding out which property is meant</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> exactly</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> wonsuk, could you
continue the work with the output of this discussion<br />
... wonsuk, could you try to formulate an API definition for
the draft</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> yes</p>
<h3 id="item03">API related questions</h3>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Aug/0000.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Aug/0000.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>felix:</cite> happy with the discussion
today, now waiting for how the draft from wonsuk will look.
language tag issue will come up later</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thanks for the 3
reviews received from Felix, Werner, and Veronique</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> many thanks for the
comments, the media fragments WG will discuss the comments
tomorrow<br />
... the document has been split into use case part and the core
specification<br />
... the later will be a Recommendation.<br />
... thanks for the comments again, we will provide answers
soon</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-152</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-152 Look
into web idl with victor and others closed</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-150</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-150 Review
the Media Fragments WD closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0006.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0006.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-151</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> wrote some comments, any
feedback?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I guess ACTION-152
should not have been closed right ?</p><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to look into comments from
werner on PFWG review [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-153
- Look into comments from werner on PFWG review [on Joakim
Söderberg - due 2009-09-15].</p>
<h3 id="item04">Digital Data Exchange</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> the work seems to be
around music<br />
... maybe dave could give a comment about whether it makes
sense to have a liaison</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 to ask the
relationship with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc</p><a name=
"action03" id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to ask dave about the
relationship of digital data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3,
iTunesXML, etc [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-154
- Ask dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with
Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc [on Joakim Söderberg - due
2009-09-15].</p>
<p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to ask
dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple
stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to look
into comments from werner on PFWG review [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to look
into web idl with victor and others [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html</a>
People with action items: joakim thierry
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