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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>MAWG Telco</h1>

  <h2>05 Oct 2010</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>doug, thierry, joakim, werner, daniel, (irc),
      veronique</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>florian, felix, wonsuk, raphael</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>joakim</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>wbailer</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">previous minutes</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">next meeting</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">comments from doug</a></li>
      </ol>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>shepazu</cite>&gt; hi, tmichel, I've
    sent in my responses, and I can join the MAWG telcon today (in
    a few minutes, right?)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>shepazu</cite>&gt; tmichel?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    wbailer</p>

    <h3 id="item01">previous minutes</h3>

    <p class='phone'>accepted</p>

    <h3 id="item02">next meeting</h3>

    <p class='phone'>schedules for oct. 12</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Hello Doug</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; no one from the API
    team ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; too bad we had Doug
    today ...</p>

    <h3 id="item03">comments from doug</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>shepazu</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> make sure to look at right
    version<br />
    ... previous comment still holds for the current version<br />
    ... don't think that browser vendors will implement all the 32
    interfaces in the spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; LC comment from
    Doug</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/2406">
    http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/2406</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> approach is very java-like,
    very verbose, strongly typed<br />
    ... same solution as proposed at last tpac an even before group
    started: only 1 or 2 methods only for getting metadata<br />
    ... generic methods instead of typed interfaces</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; should have only
    one ot two methods allowing to get the metadata generecly</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> there is generic
    getProperty, but different interfaces for return types</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; doug: what is the
    goal of all these interfaces ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Doug: I was
    confused, with earlier draft. But now it seems fine.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> specific return types are
    not necessary<br />
    ... to get data in a generic way will not work with strongly
    typed return types<br />
    ... it's more java and not usual for javascript developers used
    to json structures<br />
    ... could be name value pairs<br />
    ... should not be described as interfaces<br />
    ... generic json style object should be the goal<br />
    ... dicussion on filtering results at last tpac<br />
    ... eg getting all titles, filter for subtitles, episode titles
    etc<br />
    ... or filter for certain format<br />
    ... not sure how to do that with a generic array<br />
    ... document states its for both client and server side
    use<br />
    ... not clear how it could be used on a server</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> api exposed as web
    service, to be called from client</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> shared ontology is
    useful<br />
    ... not sure if designing for both client and server is good
    approach<br />
    ... focus on client<br />
    ... metadata for media file can be remote<br />
    ... important to clarify what is meant by the interfaces<br />
    ... should clarify that people are not expected to implemented
    multiple different interfaces</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> there are 3
    questions:</p>

    <p class='phone'>1. what is meant by interfaces</p>

    <p class='phone'>2. less strong typing of return types</p>

    <p class='phone'>3. filtering results by subproperties</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> if you do not talk about
    interfaces, the question of whether all need to be implemented
    disappears<br />
    ... if application supports ontology, it should be possible to
    retrieve all the values<br />
    ... are there properties that there are more problematic than
    others?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> here is an example for
    title in 3.5.2.1<br />
    ... returning a specific subtype of title</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> json format as return
    format would make things easier to understand<br />
    ... need to look more closely to this</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> could you propose an
    example?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> json looks ok, but maybe
    not with a more complex example<br />
    ... makes more sense to have a json style repsonse format<br />
    ... plan to talk to Cameron McCormack about whether is the
    correct use of webidl for this purpose<br />
    ... scenario: mp3 with album title, song title, annotations in
    id3<br />
    ... plus annotations in xmp with the 2 titles<br />
    ... expect to get 4 titles, 2 from id3, 2 from xmp<br />
    ... expect to be able to filter to just get the xmp<br />
    ... in addition, get creation date of metadata and author of
    metadata<br />
    ... using same set of properties for meta-metadata seems to be
    solution</p>

    <p class='phone'>needs to be described in the document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> each piece has to contain
    where it comes from<br />
    ... either on the high-level structure or as a nested
    structure<br />
    ... on high-level, it would be useful to all titles and
    authors<br />
    ... but to filter by annotation, and not go down to specific
    properties and then filter<br />
    ... meta-metadata should be part of return data<br />
    ... rather than overloading getProperty, return values first
    and filter results<br />
    ... append filters to narrow results</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; I was thrown out
    from zakim</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> will draw up a few
    scenarios, and put together what I expect the api to return</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> people at sony ericsson
    were interested in having provenance of metadata</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> would like to talk to
    browser vendors more deeply, not sure if possible in time<br />
    ... currently not sure that all common use case are covered by
    the api<br />
    ... will draw up scenario and wg to decide whether its covered
    by the spec</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> set up specific telecon
    with api doc editors and doug at a time more convenient for
    doug<br />
    ... possible time tuesday 13:00 utc (15:00 cest)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> anything urgent about LC
    status?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> thought about scheduling
    2nd LC, in order to manage before tpac<br />
    ... seems very difficult to achieve<br />
    ... goal should be to finalise docs a tpac</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; I think we may can
    not catch up the proposed schedule. There are still so many
    open issues...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> to avoid 3rd LC<br />
    ... before tpac we should have a good idea what has already
    implemented from lc comments<br />
    ... some commenters want to see editors draft</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; LC Comments</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; =====</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Agreed: Commenter
    approved disposition</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; ******</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; -- LC Comment -2389
    on Media Ontology spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; -- LC Comment -2403
    on Media Ontology spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; -- LC Comment -2404
    on Media Ontology spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; -- LC Comment -2410
    on Media API spec Jo Rabin</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; On going:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; *********</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; * LC Comment -2394
    on Media API spec (timeless :need to read more-travelling)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; ** LC Comment -2419
    on Media API spec (need to respond to unsolved issues)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0243.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0243.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; ** LC Comment -2418
    on Media Ontology spec (need to respond to 3 unsolved issues)
    see to do</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0242.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0242.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; * LC Comment -2393
    on Media Ontology spec (deasagree for speex or VP8 and
    codec)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; * LC Comment -2395
    on Media API spec(deasagree for speex or VP8 and codec)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; * LC Comment -2394
    on Media API spec (Doug)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Oct/0020.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Oct/0020.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Doug kind of agree
    ... should make this statement more clear.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; LC Comment -2405 on
    Media Ontology spec (Doug)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; satisfied by our
    response but would like to see it in the spec.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Confused by your
    solution around the "ma" prefix, and would like to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; see it in
    writing.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; ---------</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> we have comments with
    disagreement for commenters</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; No response
    yet:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; ************</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; LC Comment -2398 on
    Media Ontology spec (jose)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; LC Comment -2411 on
    Media Ontology spec (Karen)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; LC Comment -2414 on
    Media Ontology spec (Pling)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> shall we ask person who
    drafted original repsonse to look into this?</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> chris to respond to unsolved issues of
    lc 2419 [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-318
    - Respond to unsolved issues of lc 2419 [on Chris Poppe - due
    2010-10-12].</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft repsonse to open
    issues in lc 2395 [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-319
    - Draft repsonse to open issues in lc 2395 [on Thierry Michel -
    due 2010-10-12].</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> veronique to draft response for open
    issues in lc 2418 [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - veronique</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft repsonse for open
    issues in lc 2392 [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-321
    - Draft repsonse for open issues in lc 2392 [on Thierry Michel
    - due 2010-10-12].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>veronique:</cite> update of 2405 needs
    to be done after syntax update<br />
    ... also update on normative/non-normative is required (action
    in joakim)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> next week normal telecon,
    then api telecom</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to send mail to api doc editors
    to attend call next week [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-322
    - Send mail to api doc editors to attend call next week [on
    Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-10-12].</p><a name="action06" id=
    "action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to book telecon bridge for api
    call [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-323
    - Book telecon bridge for api call [on Thierry Michel - due
    2010-10-12].</p>

    <p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> chris to respond
  to unsolved issues of lc 2419 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to send
  mail to api doc editors to attend call next week [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to book
  telecon bridge for api call [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft
  repsonse for open issues in lc 2392 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft
  repsonse to open issues in lc 2395 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> veronique to
  draft response for open issues in lc 2418 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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