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<p><a href="http://www.w3.org/">W3C</a> | <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/"> TAG</a> | Previous teleconference: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes">21st May 2007.</a>
| Next teleconference: 11th June 2007.</p>
<h1>TAG face-to-face meeting, 30 May-1 June, Googleplex, Mountain View, CA,
USA</h1>
<div class="photo" style="float: right; margin: 2em">
<img alt="TAG group photo" src="group-photo.jpg" />
<p>photo credit: Norm Walsh
(<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndw/529674942/">other sizes</a>)
</p>
</div>
<p>Nearby: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html">issues list</a>
- <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings">findings</a> - <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/">www-tag archive</a> - <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/">tag archive</a> - <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html">pending actions</a></p>
<h2>Meeting at a glance</h2>
<table border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th bgcolor="#BEBEBE"><b>Wed: 30th May</b></th>
<td><b>Agenda</b></td>
<th>Minutes</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">08:00-09:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top">Breakfast</td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">09:00-10:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" rowspan="2"><a href="#admin">Administrivia</a>
<br />
<a href="#URNsAndRegistries-50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a><br />
<a href="#XMLFunctions-34">XMLFunctions-34 and Elaborated Infoset</a><br />
<a href="#httpRange-14">"Dereferencing HTTP URIs"</a></td>
<td align="left" valign="top" rowspan="5">
<ol>
<li><a href="30-minutes#item01">Administrivia</a></li>
<li><a href="30-minutes#item02">Planning Future Meetings</a></li>
<li><a href="30-minutes#item03">Issue URNsAndRegistries-50</a></li>
<li><a href="30-minutes#item04">httpRange-14</a></li>
<li><a href="30-minutes#item05">XML Versioning</a></li>
<li><a href="30-minutes#item06">Reviewing 'Strategies'</a></li>
</ol>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">11:00-12:30</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">12:30-13:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">Lunch</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">13:30-15:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#XMLversioning-41">Versioning</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" height="23">15:30-17:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#versionIdent">Versioning
(Version Identification)</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th bgcolor="#BEBEBE"><b>Thu: 31st May</b></th>
<td align="left" valign="top"><br />
</td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">08:00-09:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top">Breakfast</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">09:00-10:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#pod">Purpose and Direction</a></td>
<td align="left" valign="top" rowspan="5">
<ol>
<li><a href="31-tagmem-minutes#item01">Directions and Priorities</a></li>
<li><a href="31-tagmem-minutes#item02">TAG Web presence</a></li>
<li><a href="31-tagmem-minutes#item03">Dereferencing HTTP URIs,
resumed</a></li>
<li><a href="31-tagmem-minutes#item04">Version Identification</a></li>
<li><a href="31-tagmem-minutes#item05">Henry's work on tag soup</a></li>
</ol>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">11:00-12:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#namespaceDocument-8">namespaceDocument-8</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">12:30-13:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">Lunch</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">13:30-15:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#versioningAndTagSoup">Versioning
(application to HTML+TagSoup)</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">15:30-17:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#versioningXML">Versioning
XML Languages</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th bgcolor="#BEBEBE"><b>Fri: 1st June</b></th>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">08:00-09:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top">Breakfast</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">09:00-10:15</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#selfDescWeb">Self Describing
Web</a></td>
<td rowspan="3">
<ol>
<li><a href="../06/01-minutes#item01">Agenda</a></li>
<li><a href="../06/01-minutes#item02">Self Describing Web</a></li>
</ol>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">10:45-12:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#namingAndVirtualWorlds">Naming
and Virtual Worlds</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#BEBEBE">Extra Topics (if time
permits)</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><br />
Others?</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h2 id="Logistics">1. Logistics</h2>
<p>(also separate <a href="29-logistics.html">Logistics</a> page)</p>
<h2 id="reading">2. Recommended readings</h2>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-tag-charter.html">TAG
Charter</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch">Webarch</a></li>
<li>For <a href="#URNsAndRegistries-50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50">draft
finding</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li> For <a href="#XMLFunctions-34">XMLFunctions-34 and
Elaborated Infoset</a>
<ul>
<li> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset.html">elaboratedInfoset</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML">The Interpretation
of XML documents</a> a <a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues">DesignIssues</a>
note on XML Functions from TimBL</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/httpRange-14/2007-05-31/HttpRange-14">Dereferencing
HTTP URIs</a> draft finding</li>
<li>For <a href="#XMLVersioning-41">XMLVersioning-41</a>
<ul>
<li>Revised Versioning draft findings: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070518">terminology</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070518.html">strategies</a>,
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml-20070518">XML
Languages</a></li>
<li><a href="http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples">HTML
Design Principles (Proposed)</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>For <a href="#namespaceDocument-8">namespaceDocument-8</a>
<ul>
<li> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/">Associating
Resources with Namespaces</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>For <a href="#selfDescWeb">Self Describing Web</a>
<ul>
<li>Revised <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments.html">Draft
finding</a> (updated 24 May 2007; the stable URI for the version to be reviewed is
<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2007-05-24.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2007-05-24.html</a>.)</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h2 id="agenda">3. Agenda</h2>
<h3><a id="admin" name="admin">3.1. Administrative (<30min)</a></h3>
<ol>
<li><strong>Convene:</strong> take roll, review and agree agenda</li>
<li><strong>Regrets:</strong><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes.html#item08">DaveO
(Wed am)</a>, <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2007May/0043.html">Norm
(Fri am)</a></li>
<li><strong>Appoint:</strong> scribes for the two days<br />
<strong>Approve:</strong> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/21-tagmem-minutes">minutes of
previous teleconference</a> (21 May.)</li>
<li><strong>Next f2f:</strong> 17-18th September, <a
href="http://www.soton.ac.uk/ecs">University of Southampton</a>, Hampshire,
UK.
<ul>
<li>Continue informally into a 3rd Day? Nearby facilities?</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Nov-Dec F2F and Tech Plenary</strong>
<ul>
<li>Separate F2F or combined with TP?</li>
<li>Liason meetings with other WGs. (who's likely to be there with
availability to meet with other WGs).</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
<hr />
<h3><a id="URNsAndRegistries-50" name="URNsAndRegistries-50">3.2
URNsAndRegistries-50</a></h3>
<strong>Objectives</strong>
<ul>
<li>Resolution to the two parts of the <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50">draft finding</a>
on <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#URNsAndRegistries-50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a></li>
</ul>
<strong>Resources</strong>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50">draft
finding</a></li>
<li><a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Mar/0036.html">Review</a>
from Stuart</li>
</ul>
<p></p>
<hr />
<h3><a id="XMLFunctions-34" name="XMLFnctions-34">3.3 XMLFunctions-34
and Elaborated Infoset </a></h3>
<strong>Objectives</strong>
<ul>
<li>Agree the scope of the issue. Our previous <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/03/06-minutes#item10">discussion in
Boston</a> foundered on topics such a "quoting" (early/late evaluation)
and whether expression in the form of Infoset manipulation served as adequate
proxy for the 'meaning' of an elaborated document.</li>
</ul>
<strong>Resources</strong>
<ul>
<li>Elaborated Infosets from Henry: <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2007Jan/0072">message+thread</a>
and <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset.html">draft</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML">The Interpretation of
XML documents</a> from TimBL</li>
</ul>
<p></p>
<hr />
<h3><a id="httpRange-14" name="httpRange-14">3.4 Review of
"Dereferencing HTTP URIs" draft finding.</a></h3>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Review <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/httpRange-14/2007-05-31/HttpRange-14">draft
finding</a> on "Dereferencing HTTP URIs"</li>
<li>Determine next steps toward TAG approval/publication</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Outstanding <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#httpRange-14">action
items</a>.</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3><a id="versioning" name="versioning">3.5 Versioning</a></h3>
<h4><a id="XMLVersioning-41" name="XMLVersioning-41">3.5.1 Review of
Draft Findings</a></h4>
<p><strong>Objectives:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Review what we are trying to achieve wrt to our issue <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#XMLVersioning-41">XMLVersioning-41</a>
<ul>
<li>How do we move beyond drafts toward consensus?</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Review <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070326">part1</a>
derived draft findings - <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070518">terminology</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070518.html">strategies</a>
<p></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources:s:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Outstanding <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#XMLVersioning-41">action items</a>.</li>
<li>Current versioning draft findings <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070518">terminology</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070518.html">strategies</a>,
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml-20070518">XML
Languages</a></li>
<li>Review Comments (on prior versions <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070326">part1</a>) from<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007May/0048.html"> Rhys</a>
and <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007May/0034.html">Stuart</a>.</li>
<li>Review comments on <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070518">terminology</a> from
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007May/0041.html">DanC</a></li>
<li>Other recent reviews?</li>
</ul>
<p></p>
<hr />
<h4><a id="versionIdent" name="versionIdent">3.5.2 Version
Identification</a></h4>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Reconsider <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-version-info">current
advice</a> in <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch">Webarch</a></li>
<li>Contast with advice in draft findings.</li>
<li>Articulate positive and negative use cases for version identification
(in instances and in language defns)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Mar/0042.html">Question
from DanC</a>, "should CSS, HTML, etc. documents bear version
information?"</li>
<li>Current versioning draft findings <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20070518">terminology</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070518.html">strategies</a>,
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml-20070518">XML
Languages</a></li>
<li><a href="http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples">HTML
Design Principles (Proposed)</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h4><a id="versioningXML" name="versioningXML">3.5.3 Versioning XML
Languages</a></h4>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Review revised part2 draft finding <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml-20070518">XML
Languages</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Revise "part2" draft finding <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml-20070518"> XML
Languages</a></li>
<li>Review Comments (on prior versions <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml-20070326">part2</a>) from
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007May/0008.html">Norm</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h4><a id="versioningAndTagSoup" name="versioningAndTagSoup">3.5.4
Versioning: Application of Finding to HTML (and TagSoup</a>)</h4>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Taking HTML (past, present and future) as a test case: Apply the model
and guidance offered in our draft findings.</li>
<li>Where appropriate: generate consensus advice on versioning for
HTML-WG.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li> </li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3><a id="pod" name="pod">3.6. Purpose and Direction</a></h3>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<p>To develop a shared understanding of:</p>
<ul>
<li>What we do; for whom; what they want/need from us.</li>
<li>How we contribute to the objectives of the Consortium</li>
<li>Our values wrt to how we communicate with the community (responding to
requests and feedback, web presence, publications...).</li>
<li>Critical objectives, measures and plans (and processes - are they
working?)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>TAG <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag">homepage</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-tag-charter">charter</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues">Issues List</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings">findings</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue51/thompson/">TAG Survey
article</a> by Henry</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3><a id="namespaceDocument-8" name="namespaceDocument-8">3.7 Issue </a> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#namespaceDocument-8">namespaceDocument-8</a>
<a></a></h3>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Agree on what we want to accomplish</li>
<li>Agree on the modeling approach</li>
<li>Agree on next steps</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Outstanding <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#namespaceDocument-8">action items</a></li>
<li>Draft Finding <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/">Associating
Resources with Namespaces</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3><a id="selfDescWeb" name="selfDescWeb">3.8 Self Describing Web</a></h3>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Review revised draft from Noah (@@ink TBD)</li>
<li>Agree next steps.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Feb/0021">Agenda
Proposal</a> (previous F2F) from Noah and <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2007-05-24.html">Draft
finding as revised on 24 May 2007</a>.</li>
<li>Related Issues:
<ul>
<li>Media Type issues: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#w3cMediaType-1">w3cMediaType-1</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#customMediaType-2">w3cMediaType-2</a>,
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#nsMediaType-3">nsMediaType-3</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#uriMediaType-8">uriMediaType-9</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#mediaTypeManagement-45">mediaTypeManagement-45</a>
</li>
<li>Metadata issues: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#namespaceDocument-8">namespaceDocument-8</a>,
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#siteData-36">siteData-36</a>.</li>
<li>Mixed Language issues: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#RDFinHTML-35">RDFinHTML-35</a>, <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33">mixedUIXMLNamespace-33</a>,
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#xmlFunctions-34">xmlFunctions-34</a></li>
<li>Miscellaneous issues: the self-describing Web has been until now
tracked under the catch-all issue <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#ultimateQuestion-42">ultimateQuestion-42</a>.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
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<h3><a id="namingAndVirtualWorlds" name="namingAndVirtualWorlds">3.9
Naming and Virtual Worlds.</a></h3>
<p><strong>Objectives</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Consider whether there are issue of Web Architecture in the collision
of virtual worlds with each other and the real world.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Resources</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Telecon <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/03/06-minutes#item10">discussion</a>
from 30th April</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page">The
Croquet Consortium</a></li>
<li><a href="http://slurl.com/about.php">SLurl</a> 2nd Life URLs
<ul>
<li>"Just link to SLurl.com with a Second Life location: <span
class="code"> <br />
<a
href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/%3Cregion%3E/%3Cx-coordinate%3E/%3Cy-coordinate%3E/%3Cz-coordinate%3E/">
http://slurl.com/secondlife/<region>/<x-coordinate>/<y-coordinate>/<z-coordinate>/</a></span>
<br />
So, for example, to link to Ahern(50,50,50), you would enter the following: <br />
<span class="code"> <a target="_blank"
href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ahern/50/50/50">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ahern/50/50/50</a></span>
<-- The final z-coordinate is optional."</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Others?</li>
</ul>
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<address>Stuart Williams for TAG<br />
$Revision: 1.26 $ of $Date: 2007/06/11 15:32:06 $</address>
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