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<h1>Boston TAG F2F</h1>

<h2>28 Feb 2005</h2>

<p>See also: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc /tmp/28-tagmem-irc">IRC
log</a></p>

<h2><a name="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

<div class="intro">
<dl>
  <dt>Present</dt>
    <dd>Ed, Vincent, Stuart, Henry, Tim, Dave, Dan, Roy, Noah, Norm, Chris,
      Paul</dd>
  <dt>Regrets</dt>
    <dd></dd>
  <dt>Chair</dt>
    <dd>Vincent</dd>
  <dt>Scribe</dt>
    <dd>Norm</dd>
</dl>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
  <li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
    <ol>
      <li><a href="#item01">Face-to-face meeting planning</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item02">Issue list management</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item03">Dinner for tonight</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item04">Quarterly reports</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item05">Maintaining WebArch</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item06">Reallocate actions and documents "owned" by
        departing TAG members</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item07">New Directions</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item08">RDFinXHTML-35</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item09">binary XML</a></li>
      <li><a href="#item10">RDFinXHTML-35</a></li>
    </ol>
  </li>
  <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr>

<div class="meeting">
<p class="phone"></p>

<p class="phone"></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>h1</cite>&gt; IRC log of tagmem on
2005-02-28&lt;/h1&gt;</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>p</cite>&gt; &lt;em&gt;Timestamps are in
UTC.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</p>

<p class="phone">Date: 28 Feb 2005</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_lap</cite>&gt; Agenda: &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/02/28-agenda.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/02/28-agenda.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/02/28-agenda.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/02/28-agenda.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Chair: Vincent</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Scribe: Norm</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; (HT is hobbled; laptop broke;
envious of timbl's ski tags)</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>dorchard</cite>&gt; (razzes HT about possessing
computing)</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; VQ reviews agenda...</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; agenda is OK</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; RESOLVED to accept them as a true
record</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; VQ: next meeting 8 March.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Regrets DanC, HT. DO at risk</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Regrets DanC, HT, VQ. DO at risk</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; NDW to chair</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Ed to scribe 8 Mar</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html&lt;/a&gt;</a>
Tentative TAG Liaison Meeting Schedule</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Revision 1.30  2005/02/28
01:38:08</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; VQ: all joint meetings are in the
other group's room</p>

<p class="phone">Plan to discuss web services endpoints and URIs w/WS WG</p>

<p class="phone">Plan to meet with Compound Documents Format WG</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>Discuss:</cite> mixed namespace documents</p>

<p class="phone">Plan to meet with XML Core WG on Thur</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>Discuss:</cite> future of XML/xml:id and
C14N/xmlChunk-44</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> agenda request to discuss binary XML</p>

<p class="phone">Plan to meet with Voice Browser and Schema on Thur
afternoon</p>

<p class="phone">Face-to-face meeting planning:</p>

<h3 id="item01">Face-to-face meeting planning</h3>

<p class="phone">8-10 June in/near Cannes, FR</p>

<p class="phone">W3C Team in Sophia is offering to organize the meeting as
expected</p>

<p class="phone">The location they propose is at Inria in Sophia</p>

<p class="phone">Henry offers 8-10 June in Edinburgh</p>

<p class="phone">TimBL sends regrets, plans to participate by phone</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; By videophone.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; I meant.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; DC, DO, VQ, NM, ER france</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; TBL abstains</p>

<p class="phone">We will meet in/near Cannes for the June meeting</p>

<p class="phone">20-22 Sep in Kansas City</p>

<p class="phone">Hosted by DanC</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="phone">Discussion of Edinburgh in Sep</p>

<p class="phone">20-22 Sep in Edinburgh?, something with the AC?, KC in early
2006?</p>

<p class="phone">We will meet in Edinburgh, 20-22 Sep 2005</p>

<h3 id="item02">Issue list management</h3>

<p class="phone">VQ proposes to take the discussion offline with a few
volunteers</p>

<p class="phone">IJ was taking minutes and keeping the list up-to-date, we're
not doing as good a job</p>

<p class="phone">PC notes that the fact that the issue pointed back to the
minutes where it was last discussed was a huge value add</p>

<p class="phone">VQ asks for volunteers: ER, SW, IJ, and VQ.</p>

<p class="phone">VQ will organize and get a proposal for the next telcon</p>

<h3 id="item03">Dinner for tonight</h3>

<p class="phone">Noah reports the time is 7:30p at a restaurant in the North
End</p>

<p class="phone">Noah will try to move it earlier and report back</p>

<h3 id="item04">Quarterly reports</h3>

<p class="phone">CL notes that we're delinquent</p>

<p class="phone">PC reminds us that IJ used to do this</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Amy is not on IRC at the moment,
will try to reach her later.</p>

<p class="phone">It is useful to get a report out in advance of the AC
meetings</p>
<a name="action01"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> SW
volunteers to draft a report for this quarter [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<h3 id="item05">Maintaining WebArch</h3>

<p class="phone">CL sent some mail:</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/webarch/errata.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/webarch/errata.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/webarch/errata.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/webarch/errata.html&lt;/a&gt;</a>
webarch errata</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;a href="<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="phone">Norm notes that this is comment is similar to one from Mark
Baker</p>

<p class="phone">HT summarizes the meaning of an erratum</p>

<p class="phone">NW offers to construct an erratum page</p>
<a name="action02"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> NW offers
to construct an erratum page [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; construct an ereratum page? it's
already there.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; I'd like NDW to ack the problem
report on the errata page</p>
<a name="action03"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> NW to
frame the erratum as proposed by CL as an entry for the erratum page
[recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: to adopt erratum proposed
by CL in &lt;a href="<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0188.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<h3 id="item06">Reallocate actions and documents "owned" by departing TAG
members</h3>

<p class="phone">VQ asks CL, PC, and SW if they could in the next few days
summarize the items that they are still working on for the TAG</p>
<a name="action04"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> CL to
send a summary of the items he "owns" [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>
<a name="action05"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> SW to
send a summary of the items he "owns" [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>
<a name="action06"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> PC to
send a summary of the items he "owns" [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<h3 id="item07">New Directions</h3>

<p class="phone">VQ asks if we have plans for a second volume</p>

<p class="phone">DanC suggests educational material</p>

<p class="phone">DanC also suggests that extensibility and versioning would
be a good second volume</p>

<p class="phone">Noah asks about WWW 2005</p>

<p class="phone">VQ observes that there is a W3C track at the conference</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; re: erratum, sent to
public-webarch-comments. &lt;a href="<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2005JanMar/0001.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2005JanMar/0001.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2005JanMar/0001.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2005JanMar/0001.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; (hmm... talking about WWW2005 seems
in order during "new directions"... table it in favor of what, I wonder?)</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>PC:</cite> when we triaged the issues list for V1, we
explicitly excluded some issues, it would make sense to look at all the
issues we didn't want to do for V1</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>dorchard:</cite> I support E&amp;V, but there's an
architecture piece we haven't talked about: XML Architecture <br>
... xml:id, binary XML, XML Chunk, these all feel like questions about XML at
the border but I think that there's the question of XML going forward <br>
... I think that it would be fruitful for the TAG to look at this issue</p>

<p class="phone">SW asks if XML Core or XML CG does hits</p>

<p class="phone">DO observes that there's a constallation of XML-related WGs
and it seems to me that the CG was more of a coordination body not a
technical coordinator. More process than technical.</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>timbl:</cite> a lot of the things we've been patching
up are related to these areas on the borders <br>
... I think we'll be working on XML as part of our broader scope <br>
... One possibility is to try to do a more formal system to describe some of
the things that we've been saying <br>
... Another possibility is to try to tackle Web Services, SemWeb, web
applications <br>
... Web applications is a huge new architectural issue and maybe we could try
to do some more timely work</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> I'm interested to do web applications,
but I'm not sure how. It'd be interesting to have someone come and present
"GMail" to us. Some education from experts would be useful.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; timbl, you wanted to mention 1)
making a more formal description to exiting areas as one direction and 2)
going into areas which we excluded, such as web services, semantic web,</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>noah:</cite> I agree with a lot of what TimBL said,
but I think we need to put some effort into making sure the web stays a
current platform</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; noah, you wanted to say that we
have probably missed some particulars that are close to scope of AWWW vol
1</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>noah:</cite> I think we should be asking ourselves
which problems the web should be solving over the next few years and if the
architectural pieces we have available are the right ones <br>
... In the completely opposite direction there are some things that we didn't
put in V1 thatcould have gone in V1 and we should be willing to tackle those
as well. <br>
... I think we shouldn't narrow this too much right away, we should give
ourselves a license to noodle around in these spaces for a few months to see
which ones we might be good at</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>dorchard:</cite> Is there an intermediate ground in
the formalism space? <br>
... I did try to put some more formal models in some of the findings I worked
on</p>

<p class="phone">DO mentioned UML and TimBL expresses that he thinks a UML
model is mathematical</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> I'd like to finish some of that stuff</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>dorchard:</cite> I wanted some of these models in V1
and we decided not to do that. But maybe we could do it as an add-on</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/fdesc54/">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/fdesc54/</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/fdesc54/&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/fdesc54/&lt;/a&gt;</a>
WebArch Diagrams</p>

<p class="phone">DanC discusses his ideas for "tip of the day" on the W3C
validator page</p>

<p class="phone">VQ notes that he's been asked several times for educational
materials. Teachers like the WebArch document.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/">http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/&lt;/a&gt;</a>
Quality Tips for Webmasters</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; (tip of the day was an idea a long
time ago; it's in production now)</p>

<p class="phone">VQ asks if we have enough resources to develop teaching
materials</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; (ooh... interesting, timbl...
bounties for what we want)</p>

<p class="phone">TimBL asks if we couldn't ask the public for some things
that we'd like to see: an elementary-school level of webarch, etc.</p>

<p class="phone">ER there's two topics: current and future so should we have
to addresses?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view">http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view&lt;/a&gt;</a>
ubuntu bounties</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; "The 2004 budget for bounties is
USD 100,000."</p>

<p class="phone">HT seconds DanC's suggestion: you write a good webarch
educational document and we'll link to it from our home page</p>

<p class="phone">Noah asks if we're offering to link to just a few things or
to everything</p>

<p class="phone">DanC volunteers to act as editor for educational
materials</p>

<p class="phone">There will need to be some decisions about how the licensing
works</p>
<a name="action07"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> DanC to
make an "educational materials" page, describe what we're interested in, and
set expectations [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Roy</cite>&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://apache.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/document/">http://apache.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/document/</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://apache.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/document/&lt;/a&gt;">http://apache.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/document/&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="phone">Observer Jacek Kopecky expresses interet and wonders if it
shouldn't apply to the whole W3C suite of technologies</p>
<a name="action08"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> DanC to
let QA and w3t-comm know about TAG's educational materials ideas and relay
JK's note about coordiated materials [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<p class="phone">VQ summarizes: I think we have a consensus that we should
spend some time on that and precisely to make a first step in that direction
by doing an experiment as described above. We should announce that on www-tag
and suggest using that mailing list as a way to submit material to us.</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>HT:</cite> TimBL mentioned some things about
formalizing which connects up with discussions that occurred just before
publication. There was an implication that some things would be on the table
wrt httpRange-14. That issue ties together a lot of issues. I'd like us to do
some more work on that. <br>
... In the next couple of days HT (and colleagues) will be proposing a
workshop at the SemWeb conference in Galway in Nov(?)</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://iswc2005.semanticweb.org/">http://iswc2005.semanticweb.org/</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://iswc2005.semanticweb.org/&lt;/a&gt;">http://iswc2005.semanticweb.org/&lt;/a&gt;</a>
 6th - 10th November 2005</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; Galway, Ireland</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>SW:</cite> There are some large issues that it's
disappointing to leave unfinished</p>

<p class="phone">Noah suggests that we could write a document that actually
lays out the boundaries of the question</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>noah:</cite> set expectations that we're not going to
expect everyone to read all the traffic on the issue, that we're going to
start by trying to net the problem out</p>

<h3 id="item08">RDFinXHTML-35</h3>

<h3 id="item09">binary XML</h3>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; -&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xbc-use-cases-20050224/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xbc-use-cases-20050224/</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xbc-use-cases-20050224/&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xbc-use-cases-20050224/&lt;/a&gt;</a>
XML Binary Characterization Use Cases</p>

<p class="phone">They think they're done</p>

<p class="phone">DanC should I pursue my concerns here or elsewhere:</p>

<p class="phone">DanC has some concerns: I disagree with a lot of their use
cases</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> I don't think they've articulated their
case very successfully</p>

<p class="phone">DO concurs to review it</p>

<p class="phone">PC suggests we start with CL's original summary of the
issue</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>DanC_</cite>&gt; rather: I *do* think they've
articulated their use cases pretty well (and thanks for that! lots of WGs
don't). But I am not convinced by the argument they make</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; binaryXML-30:</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; Standardize a "binary XML"
format?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#binaryXML-30">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#binaryXML-30</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#binaryXML-30&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#binaryXML-30&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; I sent in a summary, earlier on.
The ball has passed to the XBC WG, I do</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; not consider myself to be critical
path on this one. XBC is nearly</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; completed, TAG has said it will
review their deliverables. I suggest</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; inviting Robin Berjon to a TAG call
to discuss this.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0248.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0248.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0248.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Feb/0248.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; the above email closes my action
item</p>

<p class="phone">Noah notes that we should try to decide if we're going to
try to get in the critical path of whether or not a new WG is spun up</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>dorchard:</cite> I think I would like the TAG to
review that material sooner rather than later. And as an AC rep, I would like
the TAGs review before I was asked to make a decision. <br>
... We should say quite loudly that we plan on reviewing it</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; future of xml - mention XBC</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; The TAG is chartered to document and
build consensus around principles of Web architecture and to interpret and
clarify these principles when necessary. The XML Binary Characterization
Working Group consult with the Technical Architecture Group regarding the
properties of XML and refer issues to the TAG when necessary. The Working
Group is also expected to provide feedback regarding issue binaryXML-30.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Above is from charter of Binary
characterization WG</p>

<p class="phone">Henry agrees to review the documents</p>
<a name="action09"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> HT to
review the XBC documents with help from Noah [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<h3 id="item10">RDFinXHTML-35</h3>

<p class="irc">&lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/specbg.html">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/specbg.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/specbg.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/specbg.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; I note that the XML BCP does not
contain "ASN"</p>

<p class="phone">DanC describes GRDDL</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://inamidst.com/grddl/demo">http://inamidst.com/grddl/demo</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://inamidst.com/grddl/demo&lt;/a&gt;">http://inamidst.com/grddl/demo&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="phone">DanC describes how creative commons and open archives are
working together to make this work</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; DanC describes special XHTML 2
syntax for RDF</p>

<p class="phone">DanC notes some developments in XHTML 2.0 to deal with
RDF</p>

<p class="phone">Norm gives Dan's rdxh/spec document a thumbs up</p>

<p class="phone">CL asks why you can't just read the RDF out of the XML</p>

<p class="phone">TimBL notes that it does get transformed, it strips out all
the SVG</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; TimBl specifically noted that it's
not in general safe to trust Tags such as &lt;metadata&gt; unless licensed by
the specification for the language in which they appear.  For example, you
may have
&lt;dontTrustContents&gt;&lt;metadata&gt;....&lt;/metadata&gt;&lt;/dontTrustContents&gt;</p>

<p class="phone">HT notes that this approach is different from the more
general case of adding, for example, declarations to a schema</p>

<p class="phone">HT observes that you have to trust the XSLT</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Chris</cite>&gt; Dan says that the 'yes believe the
RDF here' attributes should be part of the standard library</p>
<a name="action10"></a>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; <strong>ACTION:</strong> DanC to
continue working on this [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc]</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> is WS-A using IRC?</p>

<p class="phone">How's it going?</p>

<p class="phone">Is there a two sentence summary?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Vincent</cite>&gt; Norm, what's the uri of the irc
log of the Tag f2f?</p>

<p class="phone"><cite>Vincent:</cite> &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Vincent</cite>&gt; Norm, I get a 403 Forbidden</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>dorchard</cite>&gt; Noah, TimBl here?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noahf2fRoom</cite>&gt; Noah's here</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; Hi</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Hi tim</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; I think we agreed to assemble at
18:30 by main door of hotel to begin debate on whether to take Taxi or "T"
:-)</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; OK?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; OK</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; I'll drive anyway</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; Do we have an address?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; OK.  Yes, it was in email from me
when I announced it, but I'll get it for you in a minute.  The simple answer
is that it's just off Hanover St. in the North End, very near the end of
Hanover St. that's by the big dig.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; I'll get exact addresss.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Unfortunately, I have no clue on
parking down there.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Ida's</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; 3 Mechanic St.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; 617-523-0015</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; well done.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; That's Ida's restaurant.  Alan Kotok
set it up with Amy.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; More info in email at &lt;a href="<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Feb/0042.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Feb/0042.html</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Feb/0042.html&lt;/a&gt;">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Feb/0042.html&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; And thank you.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Glad you're joining us.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; <a
href="http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&amp;country=US&amp;addtohistory=&amp;searchtab=home&amp;address=3+mechanic+street&amp;city=Boston&amp;state=ma&amp;zipcode=">http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&amp;country=US&amp;addtohistory=&amp;searchtab=home&amp;address=3+mechanic+street&amp;city=Boston&amp;state=ma&amp;zipcode=</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; Oh yes, its very near public
parking like Faneuil hall etc</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; See picture at: &lt;a href="<a
href="http://www.planet99.com/boston/restaurants/11639.htm">http://www.planet99.com/boston/restaurants/11639.htm</a>"&gt;<a
href="http://www.planet99.com/boston/restaurants/11639.htm&lt;/a&gt;">http://www.planet99.com/boston/restaurants/11639.htm&lt;/a&gt;</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; I'm up in Henry's room (lending him
my laptop).  We're heading down now.  See you at the restaurant.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; over n out?</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; <a
href="http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&amp;do=nw&amp;un=m&amp;cl=EN&amp;ct=NA&amp;rsres=1&amp;1ex=1&amp;1aa=ce41fYwt9%252bwngixA63tuKWkg0HDA%252by2QFIo3DwCxsSpd3dV0AsfP1fBM1VA7KVAB5Wjc8cbagMm%252bk3qpL0MrNVfF5xNPAKvnqCADHoWRBrA%253d&amp;1ah=&amp;2y=US&amp;2a=3+Mechanic+St&amp;2c=Boston&amp;2s=MA&amp;2z=02113-2336&amp;2ah=">http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&amp;do=nw&amp;un=m&amp;cl=EN&amp;ct=NA&amp;rsres=1&amp;1ex=1&amp;1aa=ce41fYwt9%252bwngixA63tuKWkg0HDA%252by2QFIo3DwCxsSpd3dV0AsfP1fBM1VA7KVAB5Wjc8cbagMm%252bk3qpL0MrNVfF5xNPAKvnqCADHoWRBrA%253d&amp;1ah=&amp;2y=US&amp;2a=3+Mechanic+St&amp;2c=Boston&amp;2s=MA&amp;2z=02113-2336&amp;2ah=</a></p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; Ok</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>timbl</cite>&gt; I'm happy to take 2 people</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; OK, well as I say, they're all
planning to assemble at front door for big debate on transport modes.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Feel free to join us for that.
Dinner's not officially until 7:30, though walking in North End's surely as
pleasant as being in the hotel.</p>

<p class="irc">&lt;<cite>noah</cite>&gt; Heading down now.</p>
</div>

<h2><a name="ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></h2>
<!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> CL to send a summary of the
items he "owns" [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DanC to continue working on
this [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DanC to let QA and w3t-comm
know about TAG's educational materials ideas and relay JK's note about
coordiated materials [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DanC to make an "educational
materials" page, describe what we're interested in, and set expectations
[recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> HT to review the XBC
documents with help from Noah [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> NW offers to construct an
erratum page [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> NW to frame the erratum as
proposed by CL as an entry for the erratum page [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> PC to send a summary of the
items he "owns" [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> SW to send a summary of the
items he "owns" [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> SW volunteers to draft a
report for this quarter [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-tagmem-irc</a>
/tmp/28-tagmem-irc] <br>
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