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  <h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>21 Oct 2009</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-irc">IRC
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  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

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    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Thomas, rreck, DKA, hhalpin, MacTed, c, tpa,
      tinkster, lalana, oshani, mischat_, Mcf,
    , petef, lshepard, davidrecordon,
      +1.650.796.aajj, davidecordon, pchampin</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>DKA</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>tpa, oshani</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

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        <li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
        2009-10-21T15:00-17:00Z</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">General Organization</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">Invited Guest Invitations</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">User Stories</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">Final Report</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">Invited Speaker: David Recordon and
        Luke Shepard from Facebook</a></li>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 21 October
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; cant put one past you
    can we Zakim?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; I may be worse than
    your worst other option.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: tpa</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; I can take over
    from Tim.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; #6 on the agenda
    is from last week.</p>

    <h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
    2009-10-21T15:00-17:00Z</h3>

    <p class='phone'>either was is fine</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; roll call, comments
    on the agenda.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 14th October 2009 as a true
    record</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 14th October 2009 as a true
    record</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to meet
    again Wed. October 28th</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hi</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 proposed to meet
    again</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Joseph Smarr of
    Plaxo, and PortableContacts (XML and API for contacts that used
    by OpenSocial) will be presenting on his work.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Joseph from Plaxo (&amp;
    Portable contacts) will be there</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: to meet
    again Wed. October 28th</p>

    <h3 id="item02">General Organization</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; hello all</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://barcamp.org/SocialWebCamp-Santa-Clara">http://barcamp.org/SocialWebCamp-Santa-Clara</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>??: we put the page live for TPAC, late last
    week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; thx tinkster</p>

    <p class='phone'>…we already have 28 signups, which is good</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; wow, 28 people signed
    up is great</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; more tweeting, more
    blogging!</p>

    <p class='phone'>…we need to do some more evangelism about the
    event, get some more people engaged</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; :-)</p>

    <p class='phone'>…some good people showing up, start-up people,
    social web notables, etc.</p>

    <p class='phone'>…we need to organize the time a little bit so
    we have a least a framework organization</p>

    <p class='phone'>…usually you'd start a barcamp with a blank
    schedule</p>

    <p class='phone'>…but I want to organize it a bit more, have a
    panel at the top of the day</p>

    <p class='phone'>…get a technology, social &amp; user
    perspective. And also a business perspective</p>

    <p class='phone'>…what does the social web means as a
    “disruptive force” because that's integral to the whole story
    here</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; nice msg from Evan
    Prodromou (our identica/statusnet guest recently): "I'm very
    excited about this event; we'll have StatusNet Inc. staff
    there, and hopefully some of the other devs in the area will be
    able to attend."</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; ... tpa: social web
    camp in Paris was productive</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; DKA: how many people
    were there?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; hehe</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; tpa: it was full,
    and lot of ppl were confused about what social web meant</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I think 60 people
    turned up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes, one needs a
    bit of an introduction, otherwise the conversation goes all
    over the place. One needs to have an intro that puts everyone
    on the same level.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; DKA - maybe throw
    the link out there in IRC?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; for
    structuring?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; DKA: Feel free to
    edit the agenda for the TPAC. We have many sessions including a
    coding session</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; tpa: don't think
    it's a venue to code, and it's better to have less
    structure</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; DKA: like to have a
    more detailed discussion on this</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TPACSchedule">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TPACSchedule</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: oshani</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> moving to TPAC and
    IIW</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; w3.org</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Review of
    code-bases (Elgg, riseup.net, daisycha.in)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; hhalpin: John said we
    were too far ahead of time to talk about w3.org implementing
    social web stuff</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: oshani</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: tpa</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; ok</p>

    <p class='phone'>… I'd just like to make sure that we have the
    relevant codebase covered to implement social networking
    features at w3.org</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I will go</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Another point is that we
    had a request for XG people to come to IIW (Internet Identity
    Workshop)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; me to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; too</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; but yes, I should
    put my name down</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; hajon!</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> David is speaking again
    on the social web at TPAC, maybe on a panel with DKA</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> whatever is best for
    TPAC</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mischa to
    write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> and Kevin ?? is going to
    do the Developer Day</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> tinkster to
    summarize Evan's talk [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><a name="action03"
    id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
    summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
    knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><a name="action04"
    id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
    describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
    they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; if people from this
    group want to go IIWS then you have to be there 8:30am to get a
    slot on Wednesday</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; if you want to go
    there Tuesday you need to speak to identity woman now, as that
    will be a structured day, and there are not many slots
    available</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Adam to
    write up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> is anybody on the call made
    a decision to come out that week</p><a name="action06" id=
    "action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtuffied
    to put up wiki page about social networks deploying these
    technologies. [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> TPAC registration ends
    in two days</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; i'll be at the bar
    camp and tpac through thursday</p><a name="action07" id=
    "action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> hhalpin to
    make agenda for TPAC Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item03">Invited Guest Invitations</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; i'll be at tpac
    tuesday, IIW rest of the week</p><a name="action08" id=
    "action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri to
    find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p><a name="action09"
    id="action09"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
    book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Invited
    Guests</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtiffiel
    to invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social
    media [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we need to get someone to talk about
    Widgets</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i had a nice starter
    thread going, ... will ping people for dates</p><a name=
    "action11" id="action11"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> petef to look
    into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; We should prefer
    later.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; hi davidrecordon</p>

    <p class='phone'>… Chris Messina is available November 4th</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; hey!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; And Joseph Smarr is
    next week.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; just dialed
    in too :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we should prefer later as this is in the
    middle of TPAC</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think we shouldn't have a
    talk that week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> happy to cancel that
    call</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; yep</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: Cancel
    Call Nov 4th?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; +!</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: Call
    cancel Nov 4th.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; someone is making
    clicking noises</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; hhalpin: I have
    put a first pass at summarising the XMPP talk : <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; hhalpin: i will
    edit it tonight and polish off the language.</p>

    <h3 id="item04">User Stories</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Oshani - Henry
    let's do a separate telecon next week to get this done for TPAC
    and IIW.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; the user cases?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>lshepard</cite>&gt; (this is luke from
    facebook) 773-742 is mine, not sure where that sound came from
    as it's really quiet here</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes. good. Sorry
    been taken up 100% on Social Web Camp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; Zakam, aahh
    is really davidrecordon</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; hhalpin: i have
    also contacted the BBC, am trying to find someone suitable to
    talk about BBC's reporting of the IranElection's via social
    media, hopefully I will get through to someone soon</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> let's move on to
    David</p>

    <h3 id="item05">Final Report</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; I might be
    mooted though :P</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; *muted</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; ok tinkster will
    google and look into it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Someone's riding a
    horse?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; david i think</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; david, there are
    clippety clop noises in the b/g</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; me too, its too
    quiet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; thank danbri</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <h3 id="item06">Invited Speaker: David Recordon and Luke
    Shepard from Facebook</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; let me switch
    phones</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; while luke
    introduces himself</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; yay this is
    better</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> really happy to be here,
    thanks for inviting us</p>

    <p class='phone'>… I worked on Facebook Connect and a lot of
    OpenID stuff</p>

    <p class='phone'>… both the relying partners and identity
    provider side</p>

    <p class='phone'>… mostly interested today in answering your
    questions or finding what you're interested in</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; ... also
    interested in OAuth in activity streams stuff ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; much more
    clear!</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> we're very excited
    to be here</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we focused on OpenID and OAuth and those
    areas at Facebook</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we can both talk about OpenID and OAuth have
    been developed, but with Chris Messina &amp; others coming
    on</p>

    <p class='phone'>… it would make more sense for us to talk
    about our stance on privacy, identity</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> feel free to jump
    in when you want</p>

    <p class='phone'>… but when we think about web standards, we
    ran into some challenges</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we move extremely quickly from an
    engineering perspective</p>

    <p class='phone'>… a lot of things done by very few people</p>

    <p class='phone'>… teams of 2-3 people (or less)</p>

    <p class='phone'>… Luke did OpenID himself</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we have really small teams working by
    themselves</p>

    <p class='phone'>… To balance this, we try to think about how
    to be involved in Standardization efforts</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> When we did things
    like Facebook connect, we were really trying to go fast, find
    partners, iterate</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; notes that this
    continual iteration is not built into W3C right now...but we
    could recommend that in our final report.</p>

    <p class='phone'>… in contrast standards efforts take a lot of
    time (we understand why, we appreciate that)</p>

    <p class='phone'>… but the challenges we face as a company were
    how to go at this quickly and iteratively</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> one thing the XG is
    doing is to write a report to the W3C and all member, advisory
    board</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; lite.facebook.com has
    apparently cached email messages i previously deleted</p>

    <p class='phone'>… including: “here's what the W3C could do to
    make its process more lightweight and more appealing to social
    web people, etc.”</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we would love to flag this</p>

    <p class='phone'>… ie: the process being a problem for Facebook
    to join in</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> when we look at
    OpenID, OAuth, ActivityStreams, you notice that it took them
    just a few years or less to get implemented by a major
    company</p>

    <p class='phone'>for ActivityStreams, just a few months</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> we need to get to
    a point where people feel safe about specifications to ship
    them</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; tpa: and that
    with each one the time from start to shipping a draft on a
    really large site is decreasing with each specification</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> my only experience with
    standards is OpenID and OAuth but yes, it was definitely useful
    to have expectations of things being drafted and changing often
    but moving quickly</p>

    <p class='phone'>… ?? … Part of this is a cultural thing, it is
    sometimes better to do something ourselves rather than violate
    specifications</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; danbri, you wanted to
    ask what level of interop (eg. descriptive schemas) you look
    for with OpenSocial</p>

    <p class='phone'>… It helps us adapt to new challenges</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; clearly adhering to a
    spec takes increased resource and effort</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if I could jump in briefly,
    and reiterate: one of the things we're going to try to do here
    it make recommendations</p>

    <p class='phone'>… about how the W3C could be more involved in
    the lanscape of all of the standards</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; notes that this is
    when privacy comes in.</p>

    <p class='phone'>… we are try to list and catalog the things
    that are done out there</p>

    <p class='phone'>… and ask the questions for each, is this
    something we should try to bring inside the W3C, or next steps
    that should be done inside the W3C</p>

    <p class='phone'>… basically, how the W3C could help build this
    Social Web world</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> we're on a fact-finding
    mission</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; mischat: thanks
    again</p>

    <p class='phone'>… people say “how, the W3C will come in and
    offer me this big plan”</p>

    <p class='phone'>… but the W3C is offering a lot of things</p>

    <p class='phone'>…&nbsp;Widgets, social APIs</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> my question was about
    OpenSocial<br />
    ... do you see a value in bringing Facebook Platform and
    OpenSocial towards convergence</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> yes, definitely I was
    working on a platform when OpenSocial came out</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; particular q, is
    whether schema convergence might be cheaper/easier than
    protocol convergence</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; between facebook
    platform and opensocial platform</p>

    <p class='phone'>… at that time we were moving away from the
    direction OS was taking</p>

    <p class='phone'>… at this point things are moving very quickly
    and I'm a big fan of standards, it's just a question of how to
    get there, but in time, yes, it'll be one big thing</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> the questions is
    how can the W3C develop stuff like OpenSocial</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/">http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>… or other stuff like webfinger or salmon</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> the other things
    is what about Facebook Platform and OS together</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; davidrecordon - do you
    have a URL for that?</p>

    <p class='phone'>… people are looking for standards but also
    for the organization to get out of the way and let them do
    their stuff</p>

    <p class='phone'>… there's a wiki, a mailing list, a svn
    repository</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://salmon-protocol.org/">http://salmon-protocol.org/</a>
    ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/10/proposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html">
    http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/10/proposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>… the problem the OWF is trying to tackle is
    Intellectual Property</p>

    <p class='phone'>… and the next thing we're working on is
    letting people withdraw and vote</p>

    <p class='phone'>… basically it's much easier if the process is
    not codified?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> what you do with the
    foundation and make sure you have the paperwork, ensure the
    companies don't mess it all up :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> for those efforts
    to be successful, they have to have corporate involvment</p>

    <p class='phone'>… from companies like Google, MS, Yahoo,
    MySpace</p>

    <p class='phone'>… it is a challenge; how do you involve people
    outside of the Bay Area?</p>

    <p class='phone'>… the social web standards tend to come from
    the same people but that's by accident</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.salmon-protocol.org/">http://www.salmon-protocol.org/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; scribe:oshani</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I guess your
    talking about the "my name isn't accepted" by the software.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> ?? If the Social
    platforms we build keep the schema piece separate we won't have
    a problem involving people from around the world</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: oshani</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> lot of efforts don't come
    from the international side<br />
    ... separation happening in open social<br />
    ... Activity streams have a separate spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; sounds a bit like
    RDF</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; taxomies for
    verbs</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> FB platform has lot of intl
    involvement<br />
    ... opensocial is also the same<br />
    ... so even though they started in the bay area, but they've
    grown</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>lshepard</cite>&gt; hhalpin: there was
    a lot of discussion re: rdf, but activitystreams is considered
    easier to implement</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> what do you see as a
    useful role of the W3C in this area?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; bingo</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> what are missing around
    policy, privacy and provenance from a tech level?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> when working with
    large groups the W3C process is appropriate<br />
    ... useful to think of "identitiy" and "verified identity"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; so sort of web of
    trust issues...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> enable trust using the
    platform</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; i met some people
    which are trying to use your social graph to enable online IOUs
    <a href=
    "http://www.checkoutlater.com/">http://www.checkoutlater.com/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; IMHO, peoples'
    identity are instantiations of a role</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; interesting
    thought, rreck :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> lot of annoymous things
    on the Web can be done using FB connect</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; people are
    multifaceted right? at least complex people are</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and who else would
    be in the IRC?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> FB links and
    mutual comments can socially verify idenities</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; cool, that fits
    with foaf+ssl identify verification</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; that makes a lot of
    sense (socially verified, ....)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; sounds a bit like
    web of trust</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; sounds a bit like
    the web ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; in real life you have
    contextual cues you dont have online</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yep, foaf+ssl uses
    little pieces of verified information to make identity
    decisions, just like Facebook. What is missing with OpenId is
    the social network part</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> socially verified
    identities using soft cues (mutual connections) which users can
    make decision whether they can trust or not</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; presenting valence on
    the attribute rather than a +/- might be a strategy</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Adam:</cite> mutual friends can induce
    not-intended friendship relationships. From a business pov it
    is important</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> lot of orgs are working
    on that.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> like to talk about
    our challenges from FB<br />
    ... privacy and trust<br />
    ... moving to a per object privacy model</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; me too</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 stay longer</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; I'm good
    :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; over time WFM</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I know the W3C is
    looking at this "policy language" idea in this area</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; the relationships on
    fb are reciprocal but in real life that is not necessarily the
    case</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> for each user we want
    to model privacy for each different fields based on the
    relationship between individuals</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; seems like some
    sort of round-trip would be necessary for per object
    privacy...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; ah, stpeter, I
    could I email you a link to my summary of your talk, so you can
    eyeball it?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; but the overhead
    there might be really high...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> activity streams will
    have different views based on who's viewing it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; mischat_: sure
    thing, my pleasure</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; thanks stpeter</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/policy-ws/cfp.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/policy-ws/cfp.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; mischat_: but how
    do you know that this stpeter is the stpeter who gave a talk?
    ;-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; "W3C Workshop on
    Access Control Application Scenarios"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; mischat_: IRC
    doesn't have strong identity :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I know this is
    TimBL's main research area, oshani and lalana could speak to
    it..</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; your IP address
    points to your stpeter.im ;)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; if we could
    standardize on vocabulary it would be a start</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; like you said in
    your talk, IRC allows for IP address snooping</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; mischat_: heh,
    true, that's probably good enough</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; rreck: agreed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; stpeter, NickServ
    provides a reasonable level of identity on some IRC
    servers.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; ?q</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Is FB thinking of how to
    distribute social networks?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I bet a paper from
    Facebook on this problem would be very much appreciated. Both
    how it's tackled and the interop issue.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; is there any
    thinking at Facebook on how to distribute social networks? So
    that all sites could work using a similar mechanism of trust,
    but in a distributed way, where I can put my profile on my home
    page and link to someone on Facebook?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/P3P/">http://www.w3.org/P3P/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> can use FB
    connect</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; google seem to be
    touching in this direction : <a href=
    "http://www.dataliberation.org/">http://www.dataliberation.org/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> interacting with
    other social networks is not really straightforward<br />
    ... need to understand what the interactions are</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Would you like to look
    over our final report and comment?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; I'm on the phone
    too, but not officially logged in I suppose :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> in about 6 months</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; in general? re
    OWF?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> What is your opinion
    about the W3C patent policy?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; I think it would be
    helpful for each of the speakers who've come through here could
    read and comment on the "manifesto"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; We will definitely
    send it to everybody and the list.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/">http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; hhalpin: cool</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I mean, it doesn't
    exist yet. In fact, if *someone* wants to take editorship that
    would be great.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; so people don't say
    have to do a full patent search or talk to a lawyer just to
    interact with a draft.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I would assume</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; hhalpin: yes, that
    someone would receive great praise, I'm sure :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; hint hint anyone
    :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; editorship of
    what?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; zakim++</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; +1 to somehow
    having these tools in a central place.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Just wondering if
    there was something obviously wrong, but if not...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i like idea of
    collab around *tools* as a healthy and de-politicised way for
    all these different standard-y communities to collaborate</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> We prefer a more
    iterative model (where everyone's involved is bound to the
    policy ?)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i think consensus
    sometimes degrades implementation</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/News/2007.html#entry-4690">http://www.w3.org/News/2007.html#entry-4690</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; there's the news on
    REX.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ( stpeter, is there
    something bad in something in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/38482/showCommitments">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/38482/showCommitments</a>
    )</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ah thx</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; it's strange,
    having everyone bound makes it hard for companies to
    participate from the start</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; so dealing
    with it in the end is nicer, if you don't have to worry about
    withdrawl</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; assuming
    everyone is working under good intentions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; it would be good to
    get our lawyer thinking about this.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Rigo should be at
    OpenID summit or IIW I think...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; but yes, "no worry
    about withdrawal" is perfect.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> from a corporate perspective
    patent policies are good</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; the conversation has
    kinda left what i wanted to say</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> clarification on
    the earlier point: a lightweight process is preferred</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; we would have liked
    to use REX for doing SVG over XMPP, but were prevented from
    doing so</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i'd like to see w3c
    be more of a community of peers, where bad-players get named
    and shamed by other participating members a bit more</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; danbri +1
    :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; danbri +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; w3c team can't
    name-and-shame easily, because of the member fees aspect making
    it tricky to be rude to the paying members; but other members
    shouldn't be so restricted!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I just wanted to
    know how OWF was planning on doing legal differently than W3C,
    and if there should be some knowledge sharing on this between
    W3C and OWF.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; danbri, you wanted to
    ask about hosting user-owned domains within social networks
    (music.danbri.org vs last.fm/danbri; photos.danbri.org vs
    flickr.com/danbri; id.danbri.org fs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>lshepard</cite>&gt; hey everyone i'm
    signing off - just realized i have a meeting to get to, so i'm
    going to have to sign off. thanks a ton for having us on and i
    look forward to seeing the manifesto when this comes out</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tlr</cite>&gt; re CSS:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tlr</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/32061/status">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/32061/status</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; thanks luke!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tlr</cite>&gt; note that patents were
    *disclosed*, but no claims *excluded*</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; yes, thanks
    lshephard!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; (sorry, didn't mean
    to go into patent blackhole, but happy to see the conversation
    going in way danbri's pointing)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> patent policies
    needs to be more transparent</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; right, no biggy.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> W3C is not monolithic,
    and there are different working styles in different groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; and here we also see
    the potential trouble with name-and-shame.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; (very loud) "they
    did a bad thing!" "well, no, here's what actually happened."
    (quietly) "oh." (but how many people heard the correction and
    acknowledgement?)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; false rumors turn
    into "accepted truth" with disconcerting frequency -- even with
    visible public record of *actual* events.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; we could also talk
    about membership mode.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; membership
    model.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> social verification:
    based on what you see on the profile</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; well that is a
    tipping point thing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; if they are
    pre-established</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; danbri the
    hyper-conntected alpha-geek :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> have you considered the
    chat on the site? or a Turing chat? :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; or even it is
    difficult to pretent you are someone else, because if you tweet
    information for yourself, or write anything, it is difficult to
    be accurate about someone else's life.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; Truth is coherent,
    and life is complex. So both of those together make it easy for
    friends to notice fakes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; why was that feature
    removed?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I remember just
    lacking time to fill it in a lot!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; right I have to go
    now, am moving house tomorrow, and have to head back, bye all
    !</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> adding metadata to
    the relationship links for more social verifications</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; basically,
    combining stuff like microformats and rdfa (stuff search
    engines can find) with protocol exchange for more secure
    points.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i have another call
    too</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; I have to go
    too</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; of for
    authorization and authentication one can use something like
    <a href=
    "http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/sketch_of_a_restful_photo">http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/sketch_of_a_restful_photo</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> do you expect to see user
    owned domains hosted by social networking sites?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss">http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> will it be easy
    for people to move stuff from their domains to SNs?<br />
    ... this is not something that lot of users ask for</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; thanks david!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i wish we could</p>

    <p class='phone'>thank you davidrecordon and lshepard</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; thanks a lot</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; thanks for a great
    talk</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; just want you to
    know there are folks in w3 who are very
    pro-OpenID/OpenSocial/OAuth/PortableContacts etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davidrecordon</cite>&gt; thanks all of
    you!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; thankd david for
    coming along, sorry for the huge jumble of interconnected
    questions :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; thanks!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; bubye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; bye¨</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; trackbot, end
    meeting</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write
  up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
  book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
  find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
  summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
  knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
  describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
  change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to
  write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to
  invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to
  put up wiki page about social networks deploying these
  technologies. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make
  agenda for TPAC Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look
  into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina. [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tinkster to
  summarize Evan's talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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