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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>01 Oct 2008</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0000.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Davy, Jack, Michael, Raphael, Yves, Silvia</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Vassilis, Erik</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Jack</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2. Use Case and Requirements</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
jackjansen</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> opens meeting and greets
everyone.<br />
... Comments on the minutes?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> accept</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> will create wiki page
capturing current email discussion<br />
... What's the currrent status of use cases?<br />
... start with media annotation. Sylvia?</p>
<h3 id="item02">2. Use Case and Requirements</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> not much progress,
busy.<br />
... Did look at accessibility issues. Results into wiki
TBD.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> <a href=
"https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_a11y_requirements">
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_a11y_requirements</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> For the moment, can be
seen at another wiki, url here in the chat.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael:
Silvia, refer to -> <a href=
"http://blog.gingertech.net/2008/09/27/demo-of-new-html5-features/">
http://blog.gingertech.net/2008/09/27/demo-of-new-html5-features/</a>
Demo of new HTML5 features</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> next use case, media
delivery. Davey?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davey:</cite> not much yet, will do
soon.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> only server side
issue?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> no, also protocol (in
addtion to client and server)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> is client/server
important?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> you also have to check
if the client is responsible for crafting a specific request,
and not just a regular HTTP request with a carefully crafted
URI for the server</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> (ie: delegate
processing on the two sides, or only server-side)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: distinguish
between functionalities and implementations</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Silvia: HTTP is ok
as protocol ... question is rather working on the headers</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> does this mean we're doing
a protocol or not?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> open issue.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> need to involve TAG in
the process early.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> will take care of
it.<br />
... next use case, media linking.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
"http://community.linkeddata.org/MediaWiki/index.php?InterlinkingMultimedia">
http://community.linkeddata.org/MediaWiki/index.php?InterlinkingMultimedia</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> also fine-grained
linking, see posted url.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> I wonder, once we have
a URI to define a media fragment, what is the difference
bewteen a link and a bookmark (which is a link from a page, or
an internal db)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> it's not only about
humans, but also agents (?). Bookmarks for humans, links for
agents.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> shall we separate the
two use cases, then?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> ok.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> fits to media playlist
UC.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> merge the two?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylivia:</cite> dunno.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> aren't these
mashups?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yves: not merging,
but put under the same umbrela Media Linking and Media
Playlist</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> playlists are simpler
than mashups.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> ca people think about
whether UCs are for humans or computerrs, please?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> who takes responsibility
for search UC and browse UC?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> maybe later, not now.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> on to photobook UC. Erik
isn't here, Davy?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> no real news yet.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> map and multires
UCs.<br />
... Investigating how this works in current technology, expect
results next teleconf.<br />
... audio UCs, no volunteers yet.<br />
... but karaoka is like annotation.<br />
... video UCs.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> not looked into browser
UC yet.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> next agenda point, state
of the art.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> how should we structure
this?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> don't know yet.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> common way to describe
things will make life easier in future.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> how about initially
structuring this from a source-technology point of view? With
one person per technology?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> ok.<br />
... Jack can do SMIL, Sylvia CMML.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> also worked on
MPEG21.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> can also look at
mpeg21.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> I can look at SVG.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: re
HTTP and URI I can take care</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> and I will help as
well</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> have http ideas as
well.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> me too.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> let's try and have some
data by f2f.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> good idea.<br />
... I will look at key issues, create page (?)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Rapheal:</cite> AOB?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Glossary">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Glossary</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Sylvia:</cite> have created page about
what a video resource is.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> already created that
in the glossary</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> like the drawing.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> Yves also likes the
drawing :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> closing meeting. Next
time will go into UCs deeper.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> [adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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