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<p><a href="http://www.w3.org/">W3C</a> | <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/"> TAG</a> | Previous teleconference: 13th
September 2007. | Next teleconference: 27th September 2007.</p>
<h1>TAG face-to-face meeting, 17-19th September 2007, <br />
University of Southampton, UK.</h1>
<p>Nearby: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/">TAG Issues
Tracker</a> - <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings">findings</a> - <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/">www-tag archive</a> - <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/">tag archive</a></p>
<h2>Meeting at a glance</h2>
<table border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1">
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<tr>
<th bgcolor="#BEBEBE"><b>Mon 17th Sep</b></th>
<td><b>Agenda</b></td>
<th><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html">Minutes</a></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">09:00-10:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" rowspan="2"><a href="#convene">Convene</a><br />
<a href="#HttpRedirections">HttpRedirections-57</a> and Semantic Web
Architecture</td>
<td rowspan="5">
<ol>
<li><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html#item01">Convene, take roll, review records
and agenda</a></li>
<li><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html#item02">f2f planning</a></li>
<li><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html#item03">HttpRedirections-57, HTTPRange-14
follow-up, review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic
Web"</a></li>
<li><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html#item04">TagSoupIntegration-54: Distributed
Extensibility</a></li>
<li><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html#item05">Face to Face Scheduling
Revisited</a></li>
<li><a href="17-tagmem-minutes.html#item06">XMLVersioning-41</a></li>
</ol>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">11:00-12:30</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">12:30-13:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">Lunch</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">13:30-15:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#TagSoupIntegration-54">TagSoupIntegration-54:
Distributed Extensibility</a></td>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">15:15-17:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#XMLVersioning-41">XMLVersioning-41</a></td>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th bgcolor="#BEBEBE"><b>Tue 18th Sep</b></th>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
<th><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html">Minutes</a></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">09:00-10:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"><a href="#planning">Planning and
Review</a></td>
<td align="left" valign="top" rowspan="5">
<ol>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item01">TAG Planning and Review</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item02">URNsAndRegistries-50
(ISSUE-50)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item03">xmlFunctions-34 (ISSUE-34)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item04">namespaceDocument-8
(ISSUE-8)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item05">Web 2.0 and Web Architecture (and TAG
Blog mechanics)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item06">Agenda review for the
afternoon</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item07">reviewing the Cool URIs document
(ISSUE-57 cont.)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item08">XMLVersioning-41 (ISSUE-41
cont)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item09">TagSoupIntegration-54
(ISSUE-54)</a></li>
<li><a href="18-tagmem-minutes.html#item10">Thanks to the host</a></li>
</ol>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">11:00-12:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top">Progress on Issues
<ul>
<li><a href="#namespaceDocument-8">namespaceDocument-8</a></li>
<li><a href="#xmlFunctions-34">xmlFunctions-34</a></li>
<li><a href="#URNsAndRegistries-50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a></li>
<li><a href="#selfDescribingWeb">selfDescribingWeb</a></li>
</ul>
</td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">12:30-13:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">Lunch</td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">13:30-15:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" rowspan="2"><a href="#WebArchWeb2">Web
Architecture and Web 2.0</a><br />
<a href="#FragmentIdentifiers">Fragment Identifiers (scripted)</a><br />
<a href="#TagSoupIntegration-54">TagSoupIntegration-54</a></td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">15:15-17:00</td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th bgcolor="#BEBEBE"><b>Wed 19th Sep</b></th>
<td> </td>
<th><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html">Minutes</a></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">09:00-10:30</td>
<td> </td>
<td rowspan="5">
<ol>
<li><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html#item01">Agenda Review</a></li>
<li><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html#item02">Reviewing "Cool URIs..." (ISSUE-57
HttpRedirections-57 )</a></li>
<li><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html#item03">namespaceDocument-8</a></li>
<li><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html#item04">URI Testing</a></li>
<li><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html#item05">Virtual Worlds</a></li>
<li><a href="19-tagmem-minutes.html#item06">Meeting Review, closing
remarks</a></li>
</ol>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">11:00-12:30</td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">12:30-13:30</td>
<td align="left" valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">Lunch</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="left" valign="top">13:30-15:00</td>
<td align="left" valign="top"> </td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
</tbody>
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<h2 id="Logistics">Logistics</h2>
<p>(also separate <a href="17-logistics.html">Logistics</a> page)</p>
<h2 id="reading">2. Recommended readings</h2>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-tag-charter.html">TAG
Charter</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch">Webarch</a></li>
<li>Draft TAG Finding <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/httpRange-14/2007-08-31/HttpRange-14">Dereferencing
HTTP URIs</a></li>
<li>Extending and Versioning Languages: Draft TAG Findings:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning">Terminology</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies">Strategies</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-xml">XML
Languages</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Sam Ruby <a
href="http://intertwingly.net/blog/2007/08/02/HTML5-and-Distributed-Extensibility">article</a>
on Distributed Extensibility</li>
<li>Draft TAG Finding on "<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50">URNs,
Namespaces and Registries</a>"</li>
<li><a href="http://esw.w3.org/topic/HttpUrisAreExpensive">HTTP URIs
are Expensive</a> ESW Wiki Page (relevant to <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a>)</li>
<li>TimBL DesignIssues Note: "<a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML">The
Interpretation of XML documents</a>"</li>
<li>Draft TAG Finding on "<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset">The elaborated infoset:
A proposal</a>"</li>
<li>Draft TAG Finding on "<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments">The
Self-Describing Web</a>" <br />
[NOTE in the absense of an update since our previous F2F, discussion of this
document is at risk.]</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h2 id="agenda">Agenda</h2>
<h3><a id="convene" name="admin">Convene and Agenda Review (<30min)</a></h3>
<ol>
<li><strong>Convene:</strong> take roll, review and agree agenda</li>
<li><strong>Regrets:</strong> DaveO, Raman</li>
<li><strong>Appoint:</strong> scribes for the three days<br />
<strong>Approve:</strong> minutes from 13th September 2007</li>
</ol>
<hr />
<h3 id="f2fplanning">F2F Planning</h3>
<ul>
<li>Review proposal to host 2008 F2F meetings (at least the first after
the TAG election)</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="HttpRedirections"><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57">HttpRedirections-57</a>
and Semantic Web Architecture (ISSUE-57)</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/43">ACTION-43</a>
on Tim Berners-Lee to Find the paper that he annotated on the plane (and
transcribe comments on "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"). - due 2007-09-06,
open</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Review of Draft finding:
<ul>
<li>Resources and the 'Web Presence' Label (see <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054">dbooth</a>, <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0044">fielding</a>)
<ul>
<li>denotation, referents and access</li>
<li>between http:resource and webarch:resource</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>HTTP Response Codes (<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054">David
Booth</a>)
<ul>
<li>are the description sections dangerous redefinitions of the HTTP
spec?</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Hash URIs Problematic (<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054">David
Booth</a>)
<ul>
<li>any approach based on hash URIs is architecturally flawed</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>AWWW Definition of Information Resources Flawed (from <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054">David
Booth</a>)
<ul>
<li>also, URIs that are information sinks</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Definition of the Web (<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0044">Roy
Fielding</a>)
<ul>
<li>Roy's definition vs the one in AWWW</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>URI Declarations (<a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0054">David
Booth</a>)
<ul>
<li>David's notion of URI declaration</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Terminology
<ul>
<li><strong>Identity, Access and Reference</strong>
<ul>
<li>Repeated <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0179">complaints</a>
(to cite but one) and sustained about use of terminology in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch">AWWW</a></li>
<li><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0021">Thread</a>
initiated by Henry seeking to build concensus</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="TagSoupIntegration-54"><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54">TagSoupIntegration-54</a>
(ISSUE-54)</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/7">ACTION-7</a>
on Dan Connolly to Work with Olivier and Tim to draft a position regarding
extensibility of HTML and the role of the validator for consideration by the
TAG - due 2007-09-17, open</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/7">ACTION-44</a>
on David Orchard to Post his message to the HTML WG list - due 2007-09-13,
open</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><a id="distibutedExtensibility" name="distributedExtensibility">Distributed
Extensibility</a>
<ul>
<li>HTML5, uFormats</li>
<li>Extensibility and Versioning Findings: Do they have his covered?</li>
<li>As a Tech Plenary Topic: How would we structure a session?</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/tag-soup-integration">Topic
List</a>
<ul>
<li>Care and Maintenance?</li>
<li>Checklist or Agenda (or both)?</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="XMLVersioning-41"><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/41">XMLVersioning-41</a>
(ISSUE-41)</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/15">ACTION-15</a>
on Henry S. Thompson to Review XHTML Modularization
(http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-modularization-20060705/) - due
2007-09-17, open</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/16">ACTION-16</a>
on David Orchard to Incorporate the NVDL text into the findings. - due
2007-09-27, open</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/28">ACTION-28</a>
on Noah Mendelsohn to draft a blog item for review and, pending creation of a
TAG blog mechanism, post it. - due 2007-09-06, open</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/35">ACTION-35</a>
on Stuart Williams to complete review of terminology section of of 4 July
versioning draft - due 2007-09-13, pending review</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/38">ACTION-38</a>
on Norman Walsh to review the XML part again - due 2007-09-17, open</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Discuss Reviews of Draft Findings from:
<ul>
<li>Stuart (terminology) <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/35">ACTION-35</a>)<a></a></li>
<li>???? (Strategies)</li>
<li>Norm (XML Languages) (<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/38">ACTION-38</a>)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Defined and Accept Sets: is the model working/useful? (see related <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jun/0092">thread</a>
initiated by Noah)</li>
<li>Publication Strategy</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="planning">Planning and Review</h3>
<ul>
<li>What are we doing well (and should aim to continue doing well)?</li>
<li>What are the 1-3 most important things that we should aim to improve
in 2008?</li>
<li>W3C process requirements - heartbeats, status reports...</li>
<li>In <a href="">June</a> we expressed some ambitions to start to work
on:
<ul>
<li>Semantic Web Architecture</li>
<li>Web 2.0 and Web Architecture</li>
</ul>
Do we have objectives in this area that we want the AC to be aware of?</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="nameSpaceDocument-8"><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/8">namespaceDocument-8</a>
(ISSUE-8)</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/22">ACTION-22</a>
on Dan Connolly to Start an ontology including docns/documentElementNamespace.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/23">ACTION-23</a>
on Henry S. Thompson to track progress of #int bug 1974 in the XML Schema
namespace document in the XML Schema WG</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/45">ACTION-45</a>
on Henry S. Thompson to Add GRDDL to the draft XML Schema namespace document
so that RDF can be retreived. - due 2007-09-13, pending review</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Norm is <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0040">stymied</a>!
How do we move forward? Norm suggests abandoning the issue.</li>
<li>Recapitulation on what the issue actually is?</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="xmlFunctions-34"><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34">xmlFunctions-34</a>
(and ElaboratedInfosets) (ISSUE-34)</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25">ACTION-25</a>
on T.V. Raman to summarize history of DTD/namespace/mimetype version practice,
including XHTML, SOAP, and XSLT. - due 2007-09-13, open</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/26">ACTION-26</a>
on Henry S. Thompson to Henry to prepare new draft of xmlFunctions-34 - due
2007-09-13, open</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Current draft <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset">The
elaborated infoset: A proposal</a></li>
<li>TimBL DesignIssues Note: "<a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML">The
Interpretation of XML documents</a>"</li>
<li>Status Update - Henry and Tim</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="URNsAndRegistries-50"><a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a>(ISSUE-50)</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/32">ACTION-32</a>
on David Orchard to explore the space of external registries and to post to
the tag member list - due 2007-08-24, pending review</li>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/33">ACTION-33</a>
on Henry S. Thompson to revise URNsAndRegistries-50 finding in response to F2F
discussion - due 2007-09-18, open</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Current <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50">Draft
Finding</a></li>
<li>Status Update - Henry</li>
<li><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0030">Feedback</a>
from Chimezie Ogbuji</li>
<li>Counter argument at "<a
href="http://esw.w3.org/topic/HttpUrisAreExpensive">HTTP URIs are
Expensive</a>" ESW Wiki Page</li>
</ul>
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<h3 id="WebArchWeb2">Web 2.0 and Web Architecture</h3>
<ul>
<li>Interaction and State - Representations bearing Interaction Behaviour
(AJAX/Scripts)
<ul>
<li>Is this covered by WebArch as it is?</li>
<li>Do we need extensions or changes? If so... what?</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Other facets of Web 2.0 that may 'stress' Web Architecture?
<ul>
<li><a id="FragmentIdentifiers">Client Script handling of Frag Ids</a>
(see thread started by <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0148">Raman</a></li>
<li>uFormats, RDF/a and the Semantic Web</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<hr/>
<h3 id="selfDescribingWeb">Self Describing Web</h3>
<ul>
<li>Related Actions Items:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/25">ACTION-30</a>
on Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing Web finding in response to
2007-07 F2F discussion</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Current <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments">Draft
finding</a></li>
<li>Status Update - Noah</li>
</ul>
<hr />
<h3 id="other">Wrapup/Other Business</h3>
<ul>
<li>TAG@TPAC - November (see also <a href="#distributedExtensibility">Distributed
Extensibility</a>, <a href="#URNsAndRegistries-50">URNsAndRegistries-50</a>, <a
href="#Web2Arch">Web 2.0 and WebArch</a>)</li>
</ul>
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<address>Stuart Williams for TAG</address>
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