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			<a name="Virtual_Face-to-face_Meeting" id="Virtual_Face-to-face_Meeting"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Virtual Face-to-face Meeting </span></h2>
<ul><li> Zakim:
<ul><li> Bridge US: +1-617-761-6200 | FR: +33.4.89.06.34.99 | UK: +44.117.370.6152
</li><li> Conference code: 3724# (spells "FRAG")
</li><li> IRC channel: #mediafrag on irc.w3.org:6665
</li><li> International meeting times: <a href="http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw" class="external free" title="http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw" rel="nofollow">http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw</a>
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</li><li> Virtual white board:
<ul><li> <a href="http://www.showdocument.com/83356" class="external free" title="http://www.showdocument.com/83356" rel="nofollow">http://www.showdocument.com/83356</a> (code = 83356)
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<a name="Thursday_2009-09-17.2C_10:00-12:00_CET" id="Thursday_2009-09-17.2C_10:00-12:00_CET"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Thursday 2009-09-17, 10:00-12:00 CET </span></h2>
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<td width="15%"> 10:00 - 11:00
</td><td width="85%"> Yves/Silvia/Conrad: <b>Specification discussion</b>
<ul><li> discuss the role of the '?' and the '#' in Media Fragments URI and the <a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03" class="external text" title="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03" rel="nofollow">URI template</a> draft for the '?' (<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0017.html" class="external text" title="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0017.html" rel="nofollow">silvia's analysis</a>)
</li><li> discuss the usefulness of the aspect ratio feature (Proposed RESOLUTION: drop this feature)
</li><li> background reading:
<ul><li> <a href="http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/08/uri-fragments-vs-uri-queries-for-media-fragment-addressing/" class="external text" title="http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/08/uri-fragments-vs-uri-queries-for-media-fragment-addressing/" rel="nofollow">Silvia's summary</a>,
</li><li> <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0016.html" class="external text" title="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0016.html" rel="nofollow">complete thread on the mailing list</a>
</li><li> <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0038.html" class="external text" title="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0038.html" rel="nofollow">video aspect use case thread</a>
</li></ul>
</li><li> Related ACTION: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/62" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/62" rel="nofollow">ACTION-62</a>
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<td> 11:00 - 12:00
</td><td> Yves/Silvia/Conrad/Raphael: <b>Protocol discussion</b>
<ul><li> discuss the story of the single-step vs dual-step partial GET (aka 2-ways, 4-ways handshake)
</li><li> discuss how Range request will be handled (headers in response) and in particular when <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0087.html" class="external text" title="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0087.html" rel="nofollow">multiple dimensions are combined</a>
</li><li> discuss the syntax to use for expressing units in a Range request (Range header and associated Content-Range header)
</li><li> background reading:
<ul><li> <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0035.html" class="external text" title="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0035.html" rel="nofollow">Yves's proposal</a>
</li><li> Issue: what's happen when the beginning of the resource is not zero (smpte), how to define the duration?
</li></ul>
</li><li> Related ACTION: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69" rel="nofollow">ACTION-69</a>
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<a name="Friday_2009-09-17.2C_10:00-12:00_CET" id="Friday_2009-09-17.2C_10:00-12:00_CET"></a><h2> <span class="mw-headline"> Friday 2009-09-17, 10:00-12:00 CET </span></h2>
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<td width="15%"> 10:00 - 10:45
</td><td width="85%"> ALL: <b>Implementation</b>
<ul><li> Discuss the various <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment" rel="nofollow">implementation experiments</a> developed or known by the group
<ul><li> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/code/grammar/" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/code/grammar/" rel="nofollow">Media Fragments URI grammar checker</a> by Yves
</li><li> <a href="http://new.annodex.net/~silvia/itext/mediafrag.html" class="external text" title="http://new.annodex.net/~silvia/itext/mediafrag.html" rel="nofollow">HTML5 demo</a> by Silvia
</li><li> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment#NinSuna_platform" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment#NinSuna_platform" rel="nofollow">NinSuna</a> and <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment#MP4Box_as_media_slicing_tool_for_Media_Fragment_Web_servers" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment#MP4Box_as_media_slicing_tool_for_Media_Fragment_Web_servers" rel="nofollow">MP4Box</a> by Davy
</li><li> ... by Jack
</li><li> ... by Guillaume
</li><li> <i>Expand the list here</i>
</li></ul>
</li><li> Related ACTION: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/34" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/34" rel="nofollow">ACTION-34</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/35" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/35" rel="nofollow">ACTION-35</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/70" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/70" rel="nofollow">ACTION-70</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/71" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/71" rel="nofollow">ACTION-71</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90" rel="nofollow">ACTION-90</a>
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<td> 10:45 - 11:15
</td><td> Michael: <b>Test Cases</b>
<ul><li> Corrib tool: <a href="http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/" class="external free" title="http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/" rel="nofollow">http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/</a>
</li><li> Related ACTION: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/93" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/93" rel="nofollow">ACTION-93</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/108" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/108" rel="nofollow">ACTION-108</a>
</li></ul>
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<td> 11:15 - 11:45
</td><td> Raphael: <b>Use Cases and Requirements</b> Document
<ul><li> Plan for next round of publication
</li><li> Related ACTION: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/95" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/95" rel="nofollow">ACTION-95</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/105" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/105" rel="nofollow">ACTION-105</a>, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/106" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/106" rel="nofollow">ACTION-106</a>
</li></ul>
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<td> 11:45 - 12:00
</td><td> ALL: <b>Wrap Up</b>
<ul><li> Next Step, Action Points, TPAC 2009 (Santa Clara), Next F2F meeting
</li><li> Related ACTION: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92" class="external text" title="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92" rel="nofollow">ACTION-92</a>
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