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<body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>Media Annotations
WG</h1><h2>14 Oct 2008</h2><p><a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0043.html">
Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-irc">IRC
log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Veronique, Frank, Raphael, Joakim, Felix, Davy, Werner, Hui</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>tobias, vassilis, daniel</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Felix</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Veronique</dd>
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</div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Agenda review / approval of previous minutes</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">Selection of scribe for next meeting</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Action items</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Editing</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">Open issues</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><h3 id="item01">Agenda review / approval of previous
minutes</h3><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0043.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0043.html</a></p><p
class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for accepting the minutes</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p><p class="irc"
><<cite>frank</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>cgi-irc</cite>> +1</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
previous minutes approved</p><h3 id="item02">Selection of scribe for next meeting</h3><a
name="action01" id="action01"/>
<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> reminder to find scribe for next calls [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - reminder</p><h3 id="item03"
>Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time</h3><p class="irc"
><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(DRAFT">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(DRAFT</a></p><a
name="action02" id="action02"/>
<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> all look at the draft of the planning for the f2f [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - all</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>frank</cite>> The agenda sounds good to me. All depends what your idea is on
'discussion on use cases'.</p><p class="phone"><cite>Frank:</cite> later, we should discuss
the use cases further</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> does someone want to present a
specific format at the f2f?<br/> ... any volunteer for IMM?</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> I has a look at it today, I guess I could summarize the
content</p><a name="action03" id="action03"/>
<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to confirm that there should be a presentation about IMM
[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-16 - Confirm that there should be a
presentation about IMM [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-10-21].</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> For me, it could be presented together with the IPTC photo
metadata standard since there is a lot of overlap between these 2</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>frank</cite>> good idea</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> I
volunteer for nothing ... but can improvise something the D day :-)</p><h3 id="item04"
>Action items</h3><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> propose to close action number
6</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-6</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-6 Check WG participant mailing list subscription
mechanism to make sure that new participants are subscribed automatically closed</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-14</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-14 Add text on video uc closed</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-15</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-15 Elaborate on mobile uc closed</p><h3 id="item05"
>Editing</h3><p class="phone">Felix thanks all for contribution to the wiki</p><p
class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> still looking for editors</p><h3 id="item06">Open
issues</h3><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> keep it in mind, will not go through the
list today</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page#Use_Cases__and_Requirements"
>
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page#Use_Cases__and_Requirements</a></p><p
class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> discuss what Frank and Raphael contributed on the mailing
list about the topic later today<br/> ... thanks to the contributors, are there any
comments?<br/> ... defer the discussion about the IMM to the tpac meeting</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0041.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0041.html</a></p><p
class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> discussion about the tasks about which we can think
of</p><p class="phone"><cite>Frank:</cite> very general tasks in some use cases<br/> ...
like search<br/> ... but also particular tasks for particular contexts and media<br/> ...
which will not occur often<br/> ... separate tasks from processes to define better what
elementary tasks we should enable to describe<br/> ... example of the mobile example<br/>
... 1st part about geotagging, automatically done<br/> ... do we describe the location or
the geo tag?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> Excellent idea - very much what I
had in mind</p><p class="phone">joakim use the use case description as a general container,
check box</p><p class="phone">joakim says that the general question is how far do we go in
the description</p><p class="phone">joakim says that descriptions should enable us to make
pocesses work</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> bottom up vs top down approache<br/>
... some people could try both appraches and see if we can meet in the middle</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> I like Felix idea of double direction approach</p><p
class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> top down should lead to a minimal set of tasks</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>hmiao</cite>> +1 to both</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we
can als start to work on the API<br/> ... concrete effort related to the API could also
bring a new view<br/> ... developpers's need to search in video<br/> ... is a point of view
that could be taken into account</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> not sure if
bottom up requires that we also start with the API - the basic methods are probably simple
getter/setter for metadata elements available in many vocabularies</p><p class="phone"
><cite>Felix:</cite> what is your opinion about working on the api already?<br/> ... in
parallel to the ontology, top-down approach?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>>
I tend to think like Werner ... I think it is preferrable to start working on the API once a
first draft of the ontoloy exists ... after TPAC</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... but before the end of the year</p><p class="phone">hui
says that we should first maybe collect more use cases to define the purpose of the API
better</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> I am in favor of working on the API now
- might help shaping the ongoing discussion due to its practicality</p><p class="phone"
><cite>Felix:</cite> starting from the API side gives a concrete application to the
ontology to be developped</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> The purpose of the
API is pretty clear: provide a programmatic access to the metadata represented by the
ontology</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> being sexy to the developers world
is an argument I can buy :-)</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> starting early on the
API work could makes our group more attractive for developpers/browsers<br/> ... looking for
volunteers for defining what we want to achieve in a top-down view<br/> ... could take
Frank's email as bases</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> I can do that -
elaborate more</p><p class="phone">I would also interested in contributing</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>frank</cite>> I put that on the wicki before the F2F</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> I think there are different engineering models we could
follow to develop the API</p><p class="irc"><<cite>js</cite>> show actions</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... an interesting one is the OWL API model,
following the 'visitor' pattern</p><a name="action04" id="action04"/>
<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Frank and Vero to elaborate on the top-down approach about use
cases [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-17 - And Vero to elaborate on the top-down
approach about use cases [on Frank Nack - due 2008-10-21].</p><p class="phone"
><cite>Felix:</cite> can you elaborte on what you mean by visitor pattern?</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> The paper I'm talking about: "Cooking the Semantic Web with
the OWL API"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<a href="http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord/download/publications/cooking03.pdf">
http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord/download/publications/cooking03.pdf</a></p><p
class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> Raphael, do you want to present tis paper at the tpac
meeting?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yes</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> who has already use the Manchester OWL API in this
group?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> I can explain the principles and some
basic code</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> I have not</p><p class="phone"
><cite>Felix:</cite> sorry, I have to drop of early, you can stay on IRC and are free to
continue the discussion for the time remaining</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>wbailer</cite>> frank, i've a meeting early afternoon, but after 15.30 it us
possible</p><p class="phone">I did not use it either</p><p class="phone">the Manchester OWL
api</p><p class="irc"><<cite>hmiao</cite>> me too</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>frank</cite>> Sounds like a good idea if Raphael explains the most important
aspects of the Man. Api</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Felix, can you
include in the agenda a time slot (20') for that?</p><h3 id="item07">AOB</h3><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> is there any other business or can we adjourn the
telecon?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> adjourn seems to be it</p><p
class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> ok, thanks all</p><p class="irc"
><<cite>raphael</cite>> [adjourn]</p></div><h2><a name="ActionSummary"
id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> all look at the draft of the planning for the f2f [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br/>
<strong>[NEW]</strong>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to confirm that there should be a presentation about IMM
[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br/>
<strong>[NEW]</strong>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Frank and Vero to elaborate on the top-down approach about use cases
[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br/>
<strong>[NEW]</strong>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> reminder to find scribe for next calls [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/> <br/> [End of
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