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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>MAWG</h1>
<h2>09 Jun 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>daniel, florian, werner, joakim, tmichel, tobias,
veronique, felix, wonsuk, pchampin</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>chris</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Joakim</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>florian</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>veroniqueM</cite>> hi! I will not
be able to join on the phone, other meetings going on at the
same time, but I will follow on IRC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> hi welcome!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: florian</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> Scribe: Florian</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>minutes accepted</p>
<p class='phone'>next telecon: 16.06</p>
<p class='phone'>no telecon at 23.06. because of he F2F in
Stockholm</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-43:</cite> ongoing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-43 Check
XMP rating notes added</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-47:</cite> ongoing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-47 And
Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a
"metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> wants to know the meaning
of Action-105</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> coming up with some
vocabulary, terminology, ...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-105:</cite> ongoing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-105 Daniel
to ask members for the definition of contributor types notes
added</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> is not sure whether the
requirements document is updated as mentioned in Action-121</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> allready updated</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> there are linking
problems to the right version of the document</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> shouldn't the link
point to the "latest version" URI?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> make the change</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> linked page in MAWG
page is 20090119 version, so needs to be updated in our web
page</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-121:</cite> ongoing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-121 Remind
doug to publish requirements document notes added</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-122:</cite> close</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-122 Talk to
with Phillipe about the delay of the publication notes
added</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-122</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-122 Talk to
with Phillipe about the delay of the publication closed</p>
<p class='phone'>next item: Initial draft of "Ontology for
Media Entity 1.0"</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> veronique applied
comments to the initial document</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> <a href=
"http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj">http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Use Cases and
Requirements link on <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> change of the title of
section 2<br />
... added "complex" property value type</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> ... now updated to
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604">http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> introduction changed to
the comments of veronique</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>veroniqueM</cite>> I also changed
other sections...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> moved the mapping
expression</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>veroniqueM</cite>> according to the
proposition I sent on the mailing list last week</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> all the differences can
be found in <a href=
"http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj">http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Section 3.2. only a table
with editorial notes?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> should we add
descriptions?<br />
... descriptions should be added in a second version</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> this section only a
placeholder?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>felix:</cite> columns in the tables are
missing (semantic mapping)<br />
... syntactic level mapping are missing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> mute aaaa</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> first looking at
standards (for datatypes), than adopt thema, than specify the
mapping</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> we need syntactic level
mapping<br />
... accordiung datatypes in existing formats</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> or "comma
separated list of values" vs. actual multiple values</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> extending the information
in a similar way in a next draft like in CableLabs 1.1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> action - everybody
responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic
information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his
table</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - -</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> werner?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> agrees with the need for
choosing the datatypes based on used datatypes in other
standards</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> +1 for Werner</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> +1 for Werner</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p><a name=
"action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to check - everybody responsible
for a format: add a column describing syntactic information
("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-124
- Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column
describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab
column "Type") to his table [on Felix Sasaki - due
2009-06-16].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> is this version of
ontology draft close for publishment?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> initial version of
mapping table should be checked by Thierry</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> let's go for the
publication as quick as possible to get further feedbacks from
outside experts</p>
<p class='phone'>+1 for daniel</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> will check the document
and discuss it offline with Wonsuk</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> publishment of the
document possible till friday?<br />
... document needs to be varified by the w3c</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> different things to do
in order to publish<br />
... xhtml validation<br />
... no broken links in the document<br />
... comeing up with a list of TODOs on the ontology draft<br />
... publications only on tuesday and thursday (request one day
before)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> after Thierries comments
we will publish the document<br />
... make recordings for an improvement of the first version of
the ontology doc</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the last comment of
veronique remainded on the discussion of the last F2F where we
thought about several layers of complexity</p>
<p class='phone'>+1 for Werner</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1 to werner</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> better uzsage for
reasoning and usability<br />
... add note that more formal defintiions will come up in next
versions of the draft, oerhaps in the introduction or ion the
property section list</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> agrees with Werner, add
this description to the property section</p>
<p class='phone'>unmute me</p><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Florian make wiki page for the
improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...)
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-125
- Make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document
(type column, ...) [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2009-06-16].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Florian:</cite> will try to summarize
rthe open issues in a wiki page for the F2F in Stockholm</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> wants to define a
serialization for properties</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> out of scope from the
goals of our group</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> s/ Werner Werner</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> no problem :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Felix: I am worried
that others will just define one or several serializations, so
better we do it before</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> AOBs?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Felix:
functionality for setting properties in existing formats and
their serialization might not always possible</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> bye~</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> thanks editors for
the good work!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> yeah you did
good</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> Then you should
email the link to the list please!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> ok thanks, see
you!</p>
<p class='phone'>bye everybody!</p>
<p class='phone'>have a nice week!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> chair: joakim</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to check -
everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing
syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type")
to his table [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Florian make wiki
page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column,
...) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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