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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>25 Feb 2009</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0067.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Erik, Raphael, Guillaume, Silvia, Davy, Yves,
Conrad_(irc)</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Michael, Jack</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Silvia</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">Future Participants</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Issues</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Implementation</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 25 February
2009</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Silvia</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> scribenick:
nessy</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
<p class='phone'>welcome to Conrad as new invited expert</p>
<p class='phone'>Conrad introduce himself</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> worked on Annodex for a
while<br />
... recently worked on timed URI servers<br />
... in corporation with Xiph.org, Mozilla and Wikipedia<br />
... keen to provide input<br />
... is in Japan<br />
... 2 hours behind Silvia<br />
... might provide one more implementation of the
specification<br />
... I'm a PhD student at Kyoto university, currently
contracting for Mozilla/Wikipedia, but independent expert</p>
<p class='phone'>Rapahel proposes to accept minutes of 11th
Feb</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>Next F2F meeting (Barcelona, 16-17 April):</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0046.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0046.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> Michael, Raphael will be
there<br />
... who else will be there?<br />
... Davy and Eric will be there, too<br />
... Silvia apologizes<br />
... can participate via irc & phone<br />
... will send availability<br />
... Conrad is trying to work out a way<br />
... Silvia & Conrad, if paper to W4A conf is accepted, one
has to be there<br />
... Guillaume also has a paper in W4A<br />
... Raphael will ask again next week re attendance at next
F2F</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +q</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> for those who cannot
attend, highly recommended to be available on phone and
irc<br />
... Erik thinks phone hook up last time worked well<br />
... Yves will take care of zakim bridge</p><a name="action01"
id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to take care of zakim bridge for
F2F [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-44
- Take care of zakim bridge for F2F [on Yves Lafon - due
2009-03-04].</p>
<h3 id="item02">Future Participants</h3>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-20</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-20 Check
with Wolfgang whether he is still interested in this WG
closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Wolfgang has left the Uni and won't be
available</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-18</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-18 See with
Marie Claire who from Daily Motion can join closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Dailymotion hasn't got enough interest</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-21</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-21 Check
with Philippe the status of Cisco (Paul Bosso), Apple (Dave
Singer or Eric Carlson) closed</p>
<p class='phone'>we'll wait if Philippe has a suggestion for an
alternative contact</p>
<h3 id="item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>
<p class='phone'>3.1 WD Template:</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-33</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-33 Start
the template of the document closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael has prepared a template</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will check in html
files<br />
... will send reminder on who is responsible for which
section</p>
<p class='phone'>Erik suggests to add hard deadlines to the
sections, so we can go towards our milestones</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael suggests that a week per sections may
be do-able because it's a straight copy from the wiki</p>
<p class='phone'>Erik agrees</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> asks, when we want the
document to be posted/published, so we can work backwards
towards deadlines</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael says that our first working draft was
due by end of January</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> we should have it all
ready by mid march</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> mostly 2-3 teleconfs to
finalize<br />
... will send reminder email</p>
<p class='phone'>3.2 Syntax:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0032.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0032.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Time formats: Jack (ACTION-28) and follow-up
thread</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0013.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0013.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Conrad will post more comments</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-41</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-41 Rewrite
Syntax in ABNF based on RFC4234 closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Yves has posted a ABNF</p>
<p class='phone'>Michael suggested to write the generic rule at
the top and go into more detail further down</p>
<p class='phone'>Yves reckons this is a matter of taste</p>
<p class='phone'>Yves will add more details to link it to the
original URI spec</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael thinks we decided to have either a
named fragment or a combination of the others</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Formal_Grammar">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Formal_Grammar</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> this is not represented
right now</p>
<p class='phone'>Yves thinks this is hard to capture in the
production rule, and better to describe in text</p>
<p class='phone'>Let's give this a try and see what comments we
get back</p>
<p class='phone'>3.3 Use Cases & Requirements
Discussion</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-43</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-43
Incorporate changes proposed by reviewers of the Use Case and
Requirements Wiki page closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Gui has made changes, but wants to bring up a
few points</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will send an email that
summarises the changes<br />
... wants to add a use case</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> <a href=
"https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/thumb/4/40/Model_Video_Resource.jpg/800px-Model_Video_Resource.jpg">
https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/thumb/4/40/Model_Video_Resource.jpg/800px-Model_Video_Resource.jpg</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> wants to add a
picture<br />
... do we want to add this picture as a line graph</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael & Silvia agree</p>
<p class='phone'>Gui will send email and add graph</p>
<p class='phone'>we need time to go through changes and have
possibly a further discussion</p>
<p class='phone'>Gui encourages everybody to re-read the use
cases page</p>
<p class='phone'>Silvia will do thorough review before
including into WD</p>
<p class='phone'>3.4 Existing Technologies Survey (Erik)</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-16</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-16 Go
through the email lists to list different solutions used to
identify fragments, and populate the wiki closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Erik will do ACTION-23 by next week</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-24</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-24 (through
extra info from Felix) to ask Adobe (Larry) more info about
xmpMM:Ingredients closed</p>
<p class='phone'>information also gathered from Media
Annotations WG</p>
<p class='phone'>3.5 HTTP implementation (Raphael)</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael has long-standing action on 2-way and
4-way handshake description</p>
<p class='phone'>2-way is in wiki</p>
<p class='phone'>4-way is started</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will try to finish it
today<br />
... will send email to start discussion</p>
<h3 id="item04">Issues</h3>
<p class='phone'>Michael is still working on ACTION-42 and
ISSUE-3</p>
<h3 id="item05">Implementation</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ongoing
discussion</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>UNKNOWN_SPEAKER:</cite> right now we
have focus on getting WD out<br />
... discuss this again when we are happy about WD</p>
<h3 id="item06">AOB</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> none</p>
<p class='phone'>none</p>
<p class='phone'>Raphael thanks everybody for joining and
closes the meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> thanks bye bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> adjourned</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to take care
of zakim bridge for F2F [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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