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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>25 Feb 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0067.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
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      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael, Guillaume, Silvia, Davy, Yves,
      Conrad_(irc)</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Michael, Jack</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Silvia</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">Future Participants</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">Issues</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">Implementation</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">AOB</a></li>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 25 February
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Scribe: Silvia</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    nessy</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>

    <p class='phone'>welcome to Conrad as new invited expert</p>

    <p class='phone'>Conrad introduce himself</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> worked on Annodex for a
    while<br />
    ... recently worked on timed URI servers<br />
    ... in corporation with Xiph.org, Mozilla and Wikipedia<br />
    ... keen to provide input<br />
    ... is in Japan<br />
    ... 2 hours behind Silvia<br />
    ... might provide one more implementation of the
    specification<br />
    ... I'm a PhD student at Kyoto university, currently
    contracting for Mozilla/Wikipedia, but independent expert</p>

    <p class='phone'>Rapahel proposes to accept minutes of 11th
    Feb</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>Next F2F meeting (Barcelona, 16-17 April):</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0046.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0046.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> Michael, Raphael will be
    there<br />
    ... who else will be there?<br />
    ... Davy and Eric will be there, too<br />
    ... Silvia apologizes<br />
    ... can participate via irc &amp; phone<br />
    ... will send availability<br />
    ... Conrad is trying to work out a way<br />
    ... Silvia &amp; Conrad, if paper to W4A conf is accepted, one
    has to be there<br />
    ... Guillaume also has a paper in W4A<br />
    ... Raphael will ask again next week re attendance at next
    F2F</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> for those who cannot
    attend, highly recommended to be available on phone and
    irc<br />
    ... Erik thinks phone hook up last time worked well<br />
    ... Yves will take care of zakim bridge</p><a name="action01"
    id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to take care of zakim bridge for
    F2F [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-44
    - Take care of zakim bridge for F2F [on Yves Lafon - due
    2009-03-04].</p>

    <h3 id="item02">Future Participants</h3>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-20</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-20 Check
    with Wolfgang whether he is still interested in this WG
    closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Wolfgang has left the Uni and won't be
    available</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-18</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-18 See with
    Marie Claire who from Daily Motion can join closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Dailymotion hasn't got enough interest</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-21</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-21 Check
    with Philippe the status of Cisco (Paul Bosso), Apple (Dave
    Singer or Eric Carlson) closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>we'll wait if Philippe has a suggestion for an
    alternative contact</p>

    <h3 id="item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>

    <p class='phone'>3.1 WD Template:</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-33</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-33 Start
    the template of the document closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael has prepared a template</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will check in html
    files<br />
    ... will send reminder on who is responsible for which
    section</p>

    <p class='phone'>Erik suggests to add hard deadlines to the
    sections, so we can go towards our milestones</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael suggests that a week per sections may
    be do-able because it's a straight copy from the wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'>Erik agrees</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> asks, when we want the
    document to be posted/published, so we can work backwards
    towards deadlines</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael says that our first working draft was
    due by end of January</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> we should have it all
    ready by mid march</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> mostly 2-3 teleconfs to
    finalize<br />
    ... will send reminder email</p>

    <p class='phone'>3.2 Syntax:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0032.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0032.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Time formats: Jack (ACTION-28) and follow-up
    thread</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0013.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0013.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Conrad will post more comments</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-41</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-41 Rewrite
    Syntax in ABNF based on RFC4234 closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves has posted a ABNF</p>

    <p class='phone'>Michael suggested to write the generic rule at
    the top and go into more detail further down</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves reckons this is a matter of taste</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves will add more details to link it to the
    original URI spec</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael thinks we decided to have either a
    named fragment or a combination of the others</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Formal_Grammar">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Formal_Grammar</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> this is not represented
    right now</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves thinks this is hard to capture in the
    production rule, and better to describe in text</p>

    <p class='phone'>Let's give this a try and see what comments we
    get back</p>

    <p class='phone'>3.3 Use Cases &amp; Requirements
    Discussion</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-43</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-43
    Incorporate changes proposed by reviewers of the Use Case and
    Requirements Wiki page closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Gui has made changes, but wants to bring up a
    few points</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will send an email that
    summarises the changes<br />
    ... wants to add a use case</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/thumb/4/40/Model_Video_Resource.jpg/800px-Model_Video_Resource.jpg">
    https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/thumb/4/40/Model_Video_Resource.jpg/800px-Model_Video_Resource.jpg</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> wants to add a
    picture<br />
    ... do we want to add this picture as a line graph</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael &amp; Silvia agree</p>

    <p class='phone'>Gui will send email and add graph</p>

    <p class='phone'>we need time to go through changes and have
    possibly a further discussion</p>

    <p class='phone'>Gui encourages everybody to re-read the use
    cases page</p>

    <p class='phone'>Silvia will do thorough review before
    including into WD</p>

    <p class='phone'>3.4 Existing Technologies Survey (Erik)</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-16</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-16 Go
    through the email lists to list different solutions used to
    identify fragments, and populate the wiki closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Erik will do ACTION-23 by next week</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-24</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-24 (through
    extra info from Felix) to ask Adobe (Larry) more info about
    xmpMM:Ingredients closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>information also gathered from Media
    Annotations WG</p>

    <p class='phone'>3.5 HTTP implementation (Raphael)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael has long-standing action on 2-way and
    4-way handshake description</p>

    <p class='phone'>2-way is in wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'>4-way is started</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will try to finish it
    today<br />
    ... will send email to start discussion</p>

    <h3 id="item04">Issues</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Michael is still working on ACTION-42 and
    ISSUE-3</p>

    <h3 id="item05">Implementation</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; ongoing
    discussion</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>UNKNOWN_SPEAKER:</cite> right now we
    have focus on getting WD out<br />
    ... discuss this again when we are happy about WD</p>

    <h3 id="item06">AOB</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; none</p>

    <p class='phone'>none</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael thanks everybody for joining and
    closes the meeting</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; thanks bye bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; adjourned</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to take care
  of zakim bridge for F2F [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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