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  <h1>Social Web XG Telecon</h1>

  <h2>14 Oct 2009</h2>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>harry, caribou, Kingsley_Idehen, bblfish,
      petef, rreck, mischat pchampin, DKA, mattl, hajons, Adam, cperey,
      oshani, tinkster, MacTed</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>DKA</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>adam</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li><a href="#convene">Convening Meeting</a></li>
    <li><a href="#tpac">Catching up on TPAC, Action Items</a></li>
<li><a href="#MattLee">Matt Lee presenting on GNU Social</a></li>
    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
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  <div class="meeting">

 <h2><a name="convene" id="convene">Convening Meeting</a></h2>


    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 14 October
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; cperey has joined
    #swxg</p>

    <p class='phone'>chair: DKA</p>


    <p class='phone'>adam?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i might have to
    leave to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; zakim, who is
    here?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Zakim, pick a scribe</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; plus i suck at i
   t</p>

    <p class='phone'>scribe: adam</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>PROPOSED:</cite> to approve SWXG WG
    Weekly -- 7th October 2009 as a true record</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: everybody see the
    w3c website, the new one</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-swxg-mi">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-swxg-mi</a>
   nutes.html</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; zakim
    +1.617.848.aaii is me</p>

    <p class='phone'>Going once, going twice...</p>

    <p class='phone'>RESOLVED:SWXG WG Weekly -- 7th October 2009 i
   s a true record</p>


    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: to meet
    again Wed. Oct 21st.</strong></p>

    <p class='phone'>Yeah!</p>

 <h2><a name="tpac" id="tpac">Catching up on TPAC, Action Items</a></h2>


    <p class='irc'>dka: update with
    open web social day which is now the social
    camp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://barcamp.org/Soci">http://barcamp.org/Soci</a>
   alWebCamp-Santa-Clara</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; zakim,
    +1.617.848.aaii is me</p>

    <p class='irc'>... going to do
    something thats for sure</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: eventbrite
    registration has been opened up</p>

    <p class='phone'>maybe throw out the eventbrite URL so
    people can register!</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: take advantage of
    2nd of november hosting provided by henry (sun)</p>

    <p class='irc'>... took logo from
    other social web camp and re-used it and run this as a
    bar camp</p>

    <p class='irc'>... want to have
    presentation and interactive sessions around di
   fferent topics related to social web</p>

    <p class='irc'>... review site
    for text on what, whom, how etc</p>

    <p class='irc'>... have reached out
    to a number of people to help organize and do outreach</p>

    <p class='irc'>... the quality of
    this really hinges on the quality of the attendees
    .... no judgment here .... need to bring in smart people
    to make the day interactive</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... primary role i
   s not to be a w3c standard conversation but to have open
    topic discussions</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... hoping to get
    people from social web community, large and small</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; i'm on the phone
    as well :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>mischat: can we put
    something on the wiki to help people internally
    that can't be there</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='phone'>We should have a section on wiki on
    technologies anywhere.</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... a list of soci
   al networks that are using specific technologies
    within their systems</p>

    <p class='irc'>@mischat, like a
    page to let the community put the data in there
    themselves?</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> michat to put up wiki page
    about social networks deploying these technologies.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>


    <p class='irc'>mischat: accepted
    action item to create a wiki page</p><a name=
    "action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to put up wiki page
    about social networks deploying these technologies.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffield to put up wiki page
    about social networks deploying these technologies.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: i would li
   ke to add more linkages from the barcamp page in to our
    wiki so people understand background and
    context</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to put up wiki
    page about social networks deploying these technologi
   es. [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-98
    - Put up wiki page about social networks deploying
    these technologies. [on Mischa Tuffield - due
    2009-10-21].</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... somebody could
    talk people through one of the use cases on our wiki
    page</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: can we get a qui
   ck straw poll who is planning to be there?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>... for both the camp
    and face to face</p>


    <p class='irc'>+1</p>


    <p class='phone'>I think fabien and henry story.</p>

    <p class='irc'>i will be there
    for both</p>

    <p class='phone'>To go to Tuesday</p>

    <p class='phone'>Do we have an agenda?</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: lets get an
    agenda for the tuesday face to face</p>

    <p class='phone'>Basically Dave Morin from Facebook and
    Joseph Smarr from Plaxo (editor PortableContacts)</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: good news for
    face-to-face, joe smarr and ??? from facebook have agreed to be
    there</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... wondering what
    to focus the f2f on? maybe finish the use case doc and
    going over the final report .. brainstorming on the
    final report and getting feedback while facebook and
    plax is there to get feedback</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: couldn't we focus
    the discussion on the gaps in the open social web
    standards</p>

    <p class='irc'>... then it could
    be somethign we could recommend in our report</p>

    <p class='phone'>Two mappings I think Facebook
    Connect/OpenSocial divide</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: maybe an a mappi
   ng opportunity</p>

    <p class='phone'>And then the PortableContacts/FOAF mapping
    divide</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: maybe a
    facebook connect and portable contacts and the mapping di
   vide between them</p>

    <p class='phone'>Want to recommend for future standardizati
   on issue.</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://portablecontacts.net/">http://portablecontacts.net/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>DKA?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; tinkster: where
    blah is?</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: would like to
    be more focused on open day but will to spend a few cycles
    on the f2f day</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make agenda for TPAC
    Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-99
    - Make agenda for TPAC Tuesday [on Harry Halpin - due
    2009-10-21].</p>

    <p class='phone'>David Recordon (Facebook/Open Web Foundati
   on) plenary with Daniel Appelquist...</p>


    <p class='phone'>Kevin Marks (Google) on Developer Day
    Thursday.</p>

    <p class='phone'>I can e-mail them, they both can't
    attend.</p>

    <p class='phone'>I can tell them to forward.</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
    summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in
    order to spread knowledge of these effortsong W3C members.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p><a name="action07"
    id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa
    to describe/implement a report of terms and conditi
   ons, and how they change between now and the end of the XG.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; carry on, i'm sti
   ll waking up.</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mischa
    to write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; what about Use
    Cases? what has happened to those?</p>

    <p class='phone'>[CONTINUE] <strong>ACTION:</strong> ti
   nkster to write up Evan's talk on Open Microbloggi
   ng</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri
    to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p><a name="action10"
    id="action10"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
    book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; there's interest</p>

    <p class='phone'>any day they want in particular?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Just add it on the wiki.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; but we haven't come
    up with a date</p>

    <p class='phone'>OK.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; Yep</p><a name=
    "action11" id="action11"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Harry to i
   nvite Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google to W3C Social Web
    talk [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>I'm not sure ideas on how OAuth
    could/should/does interact with current standards?</p>

    <p class='phone'>WebApps WG?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Sounds perfect.</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: on how oAuth
    could be used in the context of a widget</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; hajons has joined
    #swxg</p><a name="action12" id="action12"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to ping hhalpin names for
    OAuth talk from Webapps [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-100
    - Ping hhalpin names for OAuth talk from Webapps [on Dani
   el Appelquist - due 2009-10-21].</p>

    <p class='irc'>google side wiki
    : <a href=
    "http://www.google.com/si">http://www.google.com/si</a>dewi
   ki/intl/en/index.html</p><a name="action13" id=
    "action13"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtiffi
   el to invite BBC Persia people to talk about thei
   r use of social media [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>I'll definitely point Ben towards
    that.</p>

    <p class='irc'>mischat: oauth i
   s usually dished out for access control so maybe point
    towards that group</p><a name="action14" id="action14"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> petef to
    look into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris
    Messina [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> adam to
    write up the boeing use case for enterprise social
    networks [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p><a name="action16"
    id="action16"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> rreck to
    flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple i
   denties and null provenance [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p><a name="action17"
    id="action17"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> oshani
    to reframe the geolocation/intent/portability
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]</p><a name="action18"
    id="action18"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfi
   sh to relabel data protection use case to be about
    controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]</p><a name="action19"
    id="action19"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfi
   sh to merge Family and Group access usecases [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]</p><a name="action20"
    id="action20"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cari
   bou to flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying
    user vs. purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]</p><a name="action21"
    id="action21"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpi
   n explain to henry and oshani doc editing process
    for usecases [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>Higgh-level categories Christi
   ne?</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: do people have
    any thoughts about what to be in the final report, would
    be good to have some discussion before tpac. due in
    march so should probably have an outline prior to tpac.
    maybe take that up next week</p>

    <p class='phone'>what should be in final report?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Next steps for standardization, or conti
   nue as XG or IG, or stop activity?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Any structural changes to make W3C more fri
   endly to the Social Web?</p>


    <p class='phone'>Sometimes XGs continue for another year,
    although it's rare.</p>


    <p class='irc'>dka: point on acti
   on, our default should not be to continue the XG ... not
    that i don't think its valuable, just think its
    more valuable if we separately go off and think about
    what do we do with this .... this is how i thi
   nk XGs are intended to work</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: just putting
    some ideas out there and keep it in the background</p>


 <h2><a name="MattLee" id="MattLee">Matt Lee Presenting on GNU Social</a></h2>


    <p class='phone'><a href="http://li">http://li</a>
   bre.fm/</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://matt.lee.name/">http://matt.lee.name/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><a href="http://dai">http://dai</a>sycha.i
   n/</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href="http://li">http://li</a>
   sts.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-soci
   alweb/2009Oct/0027.html</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: if roll your
    own social network is great from a w3c stand point
    need to have some example out there</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: founder of li
   bre.fm and chosen to do daisychan.in</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: what sort of
    codes and other standards are you building daisychai
   n on and how do they interoperate with one anohter</p>

    <p class='phone'>So what pieces of software are you planni
   ng on using?</p>


    <p class='irc'>mattl: taking
    people that are not programmers and building them up on
    php knowledge .... looking at a forming a legal worki
   ng cooperative to encourage people to develop</p>

    <p class='irc'>... and then shari
   ng any money that would come in</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... daisychain
    goal is to be build a social network, could take our
    version or run it themselves ... can you run it on a
    dreamhost account, on a $5 hosting account .. reason why
    we're using php</p>

    <p class='irc'>... everyday get to
    explain why we chose php</p>

    <p class='irc'>... with li
   bre.fm don't support openid, want to support but last.fm
    doesn't support them either so we would have to figure
    out how to still be able to work with last.fm plugi
   ns</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: what have you
    already chosen, or most likely will choose to i
   mplement</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: one obvious
    is openid, people don't like to have to register
    for an account, people have actually filed bugs with us
    and said they won't use the software due to lack of openi
   d</p>

    <p class='irc'>... and FOAF support
    ... many of the users are also identica users</p>

    <p class='irc'>... those people are
    hardcore users and provided a lot of bugs and feedback</p>

    <p class='irc'>... unaware of anythi
   ng else we should be supporting</p>


    <p class='irc'>mattl: initi
   ally thoughts where to sit down for 2 weeks and hammer out
    facebook ... but maybe just doing something very basic
    would be a good basis for a starting point</p>

    <p class='irc'>mischat: if you
    envision your type of vision, how will the need
    for a server play in to that</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: i don't see
    a centralized model coming about</p>

    <p class='irc'>... we want to get
    away from the idea of having any kind of centrali
   zed server</p>

    <p class='irc'>... maybe if we get
    a bunch of different people running their own, maybe
    could have people use URIs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; yes, i want to
    know who is talking about me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; I've lost my
    connection but SIOC would be also interesting to i
   nvestigate to make content interoperable</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: do you want to
    know who is talkign about you if you don't know who
    they are</p>

    <p class='irc'>mischat: yeah
    probably</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: i think
    what will happen is, like libre.fm, is there wi
   ll be a service that we will operate and people will
    just start using that</p>

    <p class='phone'>Alex - Mattl may not be aware of SIOC</p>

    <p class='phone'>perhaps send him a link or speak?</p>

    <p class='irc'>mischat: we've been
    building something kind of similar ... and we
    index profiles if they're there and allow people to li
   nk up the data</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; mattl: you may
    also consider the use of SIOC - <a href=
    "http://si">http://si</a>oc-project.org - to expose your
    content(posts, etc.) in RDF and make them i
   nteroperable</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; harry: got a
    poor connection today, lots of disconnect :/</p>

    <p class='irc'>... without havi
   ng point-to-point ... we don't see how that might
    work without a central index</p>

    <p class='phone'>:)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Alex - there are some Zakim/bridge
    problems today...folks are working on this I thi
   nk.</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: if you know
    the email address you could import those</p>

    <p class='phone'>on #social channel.</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: we are in
    IRC in the social channel on freenode .. have weekly
    hacking session in the boston area</p>

    <p class='phone'>ack pchampin</p>

    <p class='irc'>... if anyone has
    the basicount of php knowledge to do the work, very low
    threshold to getting involved .. ideas etc, just joi
   n us in IRC or hit up on the web site</p>

    <p class='phone'>daisycha.in</p>

    <p class='irc'>pchampin: have you
    looked at FOAF +SSL as an authentication mechanism</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: not aware of
    that but would be happy to look in to that</p>

    <p class='irc'>pchampin: its an
    identification protocol with a user experi
   ence very similar to openid but no need for a 3rd
    party</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://blogs.sun.com/bblfi">http://blogs.sun.com/bblfi</a>
   sh/entry/foaf_ssl_creating_a_global</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: thats i
   nteresting, that seems to be more inline with our
    philosophy</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; pchampin:
    foaf+ssl already works in php</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href="http://ri">http://ri</a>
   seuplabs.org/crabgrass/</p>

    <p class='phone'>code-base that's been brough...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; e.g. with
    arc2 - <a href=
    "http://apassant.net/blog/2009/08/26/foaf-ssl-303-redi">http://apassant.net/blog/2009/08/26/foaf-ssl-303-redi</a>
   rect-and-rdfa</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: trying to
    make a list of codebases that are interesting in
    open standards</p>

    <p class='phone'>ok, so it's a coding language disti
   nction</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: grabgrass is
    written on ruby on rails so it breaks one of our pri
   nciples of being easily available</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; ok pchampin
    - there is also a drupal module for it</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://elgg.org/">http://elgg.org/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: thinking
    is working with wordpress</p>

    <p class='phone'>IP in this area...</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: are there any
    components of the social web architecture that are mi
   ssing? things covered by proprietary soluti
   ons</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: need to make
    the whole experience of creating your own social
    network much easier</p>

    <p class='irc'>... maybe a package to
    download and install</p>

    <p class='irc'>... this is hi
   s own project not associated with the FSF</p>

    <p class='irc'>... libre.fm is
    the brand name i apply to my website ... the software i
   s called Gnu.fm and Gnu.social</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.gnu.org/phi">http://www.gnu.org/phi</a>
   losophy/w3c-patent.html</p>

    <p class='phone'>W3C provide basics to get a social
    network up and running.</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: to me it
    would be great if you could go to the social xg page and
    get some working code thats easy to run etc</p>

    <p class='irc'>dka: trying to get
    the idea that the social web is a platform that appli
   cations can be on top of</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: i don't want
    to see a social web where i have to install propri
   etary software like flash</p>

    <p class='irc'>... we use a li
   cense ???? to help that</p>

    <p class='irc'>.... to prevent dai
   sychain and librefm from becoming these silos</p>

    <p class='phone'>AGPL license</p>

    <p class='phone'>copyright, trademarks, patents.</p>

    <p class='phone'>Always, eolas!</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: have appli
   cation for the android phone</p>

    <p class='irc'>... a lot of possi
   bility and want to make sure we keep focused on the
    free software direction</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; just downloaded li
   bre droid :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Ted is a Cambridge...</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: w3c is talki
   ng about deploying their own features to help out wi
   th the w3c process</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1219215/Ti">http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1219215/Ti</a>
   m-Berners-Lee-Is-Sorry-About-the-Slashes</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href="http://bli">http://bli</a>p.tv/fi
   le/2707910</p>

    <p class='irc'>mattl: i don't thi
   nk the social web should be different then the web, the
    web is naturally social</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: shall we end
    the call</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <p class='phone'>Any one want to write this up?</p>

    <p class='irc'>harry: who wants to
    write this up?</p>

    <p class='phone'>going once...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; okay, i'm out
    :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>going twice...</p>

    <p class='irc'>i could sure
    try</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; i</p><a name=
    "action22" id="action22"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write up Matt Lee's talk
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-101
    - Write up Matt Lee's talk [on Adam Boyet - due
    2009-10-21].</p>

    <p class='irc'>thanks mischat, i'd
    appreciate that</p>

    <p class='phone'>Meeting adjourned</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; cool</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; please join #social
    on irc.freenode.net :) or see <a href=
    "http://daisycha.in">http://daisycha.in</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; thanks - very cool to
    hear about daisycha.in</p>

    <p class='phone'>mattl - my coding time frees up in Dec, will
    join in then</p>

    <p class='phone'>trackbot, end meeting</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write up
  Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to ping
  hhalpin names for OAuth talk from Webapps [recorded in
  <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12">
  http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to
  make agenda for TPAC Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to
  put up wiki page about social networks deploying
  these technologies. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to wri
 te up the boeing use case for enterprise social
  networks [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
  merge Family and Group access usecases [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
  relabel data protection use case to be about controlled access
  and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> caribou to
  flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying user vs.
  purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
  book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
  find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
  summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order
  to spread knowledge of these effortsong W3C members. [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin
  explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for
  usecases [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
  describe/implement a report of terms and conditions,
  and how they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to
  write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffi
 el to invite BBC Persia people to talk about their
  use of social media [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to
  reframe the geolocation/intent/portability [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look
  into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messi
 na [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> rreck to
  flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple i
 denties and null provenance [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to invite Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google to W3C Social Web talk
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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