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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>03 Mar 2010</h2>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>+41.79.200.aaaa, MacTed, +049173900aabb, +049173537aacc,
AnitaD, tpa, oshani, melvster, hhalpin, DKA, yoshiaki,
Carine, +49.173.537.aadd</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>hhalpin</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Dan, DKA</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2010-03-03T16:00-17:00GMT</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">Minutes</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">Action reminders.</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Action Reminders</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Tim's Pearls of Wisdom</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 03 March
2010</p>
<p class='phone'>hi</p>
<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2010-03-03T16:00-17:00GMT</h3>
<p class='phone'>can you chair actually today?</p>
<p class='phone'>I am happy to scribe.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Dan</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: DKA</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick: DKA</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribenick: DKA</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 24 February 2010 as a true record</p>
<h3 id="item02">Minutes</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> APPROVED: SWXG WG
Weekly -- 24 February 2010 as a true record</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to meet
again Wed. March 10th: Social APIs and Mobile Widgets: Thomas
Roessler on DAP, Scott Wilson on OpenSocial Shindig, and Robin
Berjon and Marcos Carecas on W3C Widgets.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Next week - interesting
week - there's been a lot of talk of OpenSocial and its
connection to w3c widgets.<br />
... current work in the Apache foundation might [be a
bridge]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 5:00UTC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Not 4:00UTC?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the issue is - because of
everyone's schedule, they won't be able to come online until
5:00 pm UTC, not 4:00 UTC.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> no</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> no</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> no</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> are people familiar with
w3c widgets and open social.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we could do an intro
session on opensocial and w3c widgets...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> maybe we should just do it
at 5:00 instead next week.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> So should we have it at a
special time next week - 17:00 UTC to 18:00 UTC</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Assuming 5:00 next
is fine.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> That should be a
one-off-move.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> APPROVED: Move
meeting to 17:00 UTC next week</p>
<p class='phone'>I am very much looking forward to this
call.</p>
<h3 id="item03">Action reminders.</h3>
<h3 id="item04">Action Reminders</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> not yet</p><a name=
"action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> mcarvalh to
look at Contact API and put those in Google Doc [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> we will get
something by end March</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> wasn't it the
deadline we agreed?</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Anita to draft
XMPP and mobile notes and put them on wiki [recorded in
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02">
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Tim, use case stuff?
Danbri and Dan, coordination proposal, Anita on XMPP,
etc...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> I will work on this.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> I put the WBS
questionnaire on there - about the importance of various social
web standards - would appreciate answers.</p><a name="action03"
id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> hhalpin to
make WBS survey on ranking future topics to be continued
afterwards [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43434/SocialWebLastHalfTopics/">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43434/SocialWebLastHalfTopics/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43434/SocialWebLastHalfTopics/">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43434/SocialWebLastHalfTopics/</a></p>
<h3 id="item05">Tim's Pearls of Wisdom</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oh hey, it's 5pm+
already</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> "architecture of social web
based on linked data" was the headline proposal from Tim at
Santa Clara f2f.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> slide 37 <a href=
"http://www.slideshare.net/fabien_gandon/semantics-in-social-networks">
http://www.slideshare.net/fabien_gandon/semantics-in-social-networks</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> and there was a diagram
(posted by Fabien above).</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Fabien:</cite> rely on linked open data
infrastructure. Transparent API for any rich client of app to
access the profile of the user independently of how and where
they are stored.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> #swxg on irc.w3.org
port 6665</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> since there is
nothing written down, we're happy to write it up for you!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0303-socialcloud-tbl">http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0303-socialcloud-tbl</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I've got a few slides and I
wrote a "design issues" document...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='phone'>Yep.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> can hear you</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/CloudStorage.html">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/CloudStorage.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0303-socialcloud-tbl/">http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0303-socialcloud-tbl/</a>
is there an url for the full no-javascript view?</p>
<p class='phone'>Got the slides up.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> Starting with the
talks...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> from a glance, it
looks like what i've been hoping oauth+atompub will give
us...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> Social networks are doing
well but [disconnected...]<br />
... e.g. Twitter vs. Identi.ca<br />
... There are APIs but they are tweet-specific.</p>
<p class='phone'>[slide 4]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> notes that even the
Tweets now have URIs so they can be forwarded...</p>
<p class='phone'>[slide 5]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> i.e. tweets as
linked data</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> 'APIs are poor,
because the hide the nature of the underlying data'</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> APIs are poor because APIs
hide the nature of the underlying data. This isn't scalable to
new things. The Linked Data Way is to represent it as data.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> wonders about
access control and linked data</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> In a sane, clean design, the
data is linked data and the access control list is linked
data.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> ...so the data and the
access control are examples of the same stuff...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> as in how access
control can *be* linked data, rather than a policy language
operating over access control.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> And the access control for
the data is controlled by this other access control
resource...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> what's the URL?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0303-socialcloud-tbl/#%285%29">http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0303-socialcloud-tbl/#%285%29</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> So keep that architecture
diagram in one window and follow along.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thanks :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> i have them</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/CloudStorage.html">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/CloudStorage.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> So the design of this -
going on to [slide 6].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/social/acl-arch.png">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/social/acl-arch.png</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I would like to build on the
cool things the community has developed. WebID- FOAF+SSL, RDF,
WebDAV, SPARQL Update, Widget libraries, Application
Builders.</p>
<p class='phone'>[Slide 7]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> Access control: read, write
and control...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> can we get links to
those apache modules?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> implementation has been
written in an apache module[ of this kind of access control on
top of] WebDAV.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> <a href=
"http://twitpic.com/16eebm">http://twitpic.com/16eebm</a> #w3c
#tbl #tpac09</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> Apache module for
authentication: <a href=
"http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2009/mod_authn_webid/">http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2009/mod_authn_webid/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> MS-Author-Via:
WevDAV</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> Apache module for
authorization: <a href=
"http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2009/mod_authz_webid/">http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2009/mod_authz_webid/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> MS-Author-Via:
SPARQL</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think the access
control is here: <a href=
"http://esw.w3.org/topic/WebAccessControl">http://esw.w3.org/topic/WebAccessControl</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> There is a header that MS
has used to tell their applications not to use front-page
extensions.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>>
header('MS-Author-Via: SPARQL');</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> Idea is to use the HTTP link
header to point to the access control list.<br />
... Someone can read it and write it and tweak it using SPARQL
updates.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> need a SPARQL
update in C to make the implementation really work</p>
<p class='phone'>[Slide 8]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> Web Groups - how do they
work? - URIs - if I look up a group name, I get back a document
which has the URIs of the people in the group.<br />
... ...or I get back URIs of sub-groups...<br />
... There's a question of how much RDF processing do you want
the system to do?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> RDFsS inference</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> You log on with a WebID -
WebID tells you who user is pretending to be but can't be
trusted.<br />
... You can imagine doing very complicated rule-based systems,
but there is tremendous advantage on being really simple.<br />
... This will be an application-independent architecture.<br />
... So imagine you're designing Twitter. The first thing you
need to create is a public list of tweets. We need conventions
of generating URLs that won't clash with other
applications.<br />
... you need to have an "incoming drop box" so when someone
tweets about you, you can [be alerted].<br />
... in a centralized application all links are automatically
both ways. When I follow you on Twitter you know that because
it's the same application.<br />
... in a distributed way, you need to duplicate this with
messages.<br />
... Social networks [are] a partially public, partially
controlled view of [their activities.]<br />
... cross-application is valuable. [Allowing other applications
to access all this data]... creates an app market for this
data.<br />
... they should be portable but should not have to each make
their own data space. This architecture allows them to work in
a context where they are using data which is being produced and
managed by other applications.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> increasing
innovation in apps over open space is a good business case.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> When we have this open
system and open linked data architecture, we will see a [jump]
in innovation in these apps.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>>
_________________________________</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
ask about exact definition of webid:, does it assume user
control of the URI? and to mention foaf:membershipClass re Web
Groups - defined groups by membership</p>
<p class='phone'>[slide talk ends]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> A WebID is a a URI
for a person which can be used for single sign-on</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> WebID - I have a mixed
sense of what a WebID is. Is it a euphemism for a URI? Or is it
a specific technology?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> using foaf+ssl</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thought the same ID
could be both</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> A WebID is specifically a
FOAF+SSL ID. It's an alternative to an openID.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> rather the OpenId
could be the foaf:homepage where the WebId is described</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I can imagine there will be
WebID you get because you visit a web site and you have control
over it and you will have WebIDs for specific reasons - e.g. a
WebID for W3C or for your business.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> If I copy your FOAF file
and put it on my website. It still says true things about you -
is it a webid?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> No - when you look up a
WebID it gives you a public key. And when you look up that
[FOAF] file it will give you the wrong public key.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> The certificate and
the FOAF file are cross-linked</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> It's a WebId from
the users point of view because a ID selector will pop up asing
him which ID he wants to choose. This is what users will
remember</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> Second question - one of
your slides you talk about groups. In FOAF we have [a
mechanism] for this.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> Is a group a class?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> No it's related to a
class...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> That's a design issue.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> Keep it simple -->
the group is the class</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> The question of whether you
want a group to have a class or be a class...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> A class is not
set</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> so I think it's
ok</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> apache code url?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think the url is
on foaf+ssl wiki</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> did you want the
apache_mod URIs?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oshani++</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> <#ThisGroup> is
rdf:type of Joe, Fred, Albert.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> oshani++</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> 2 quick questions. I think
the concept is good and I want to make it part of the final
report. But 2 critiques from some working on the open
stack.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> You can have as
many certificates as you want</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> yes, but how do
you conveniently create one when you need it?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> first problem with
certificates - they vary between machines, different devices,
if I go to an Internet cafe how can I use my certificate... So
this is in support of the username/password.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (ben laurie)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> you have a password
or one time password on the Identity Provider site</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so a one-time
password would be the way to go here?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>BBlfish:</cite> You have an identity
provider site - your openID home page - you have a password or
you have it able to send you a one-time password to your mobile
phone - and then you can create a new certificate which you can
set the TTL for -</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so a one-time
OpenID-style login would create the certificate...could we just
have the certificate then automatically put through to other
apps with minimal user-intervention?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>BBlfish:</cite> so if you're in an
Internet cafe you can set up a new certificate for only an
hour... You can have as many certs as you want and you can
disable certs just by removing the public key from your
profile.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> a little hard to
explain to my mother, but technically sound, yes :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> If the thing is set up to
use public-key cryptography then it's easier to down-grade it
to openID like systems and you can cross-link OpenID and
WebIDs.<br />
... of course going into an Internet cafe and logging into your
common provider is [low security].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so Google says,
single-sign on us with us and trust us :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> SSO means you can do a lot
of damage with just one login.<br />
... When you're at the bank, typlically you can look at your
statement but then [an extra level of security is requried]
when you want to make a payement.<br />
... "These are two versions of Harry - the strong and the weak
one."</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> openid has some
specs in this direction - <a href=
"http://openid.net/specs/openid-assertion-quality-extension-1_0-03.html">
http://openid.net/specs/openid-assertion-quality-extension-1_0-03.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> 2nd question - about APIs
and data formats -<br />
... we need to have a good answer.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, one could have
some interesting reasoning engines that work out the level of
security someone has, given how they have logged in, if their
webid is http, or https...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> I agree it's better if you
want control of your data and have infinite descriptive power a
URI is as good as it gets. On the other hand, some developers
just want a string name - a first name<br />
... and "you're forcing me to do all this work."</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> RDFHTTPRequest and a
great RDF API</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> If you start mixing up the
cloud with linked data then it starts getting out of hand for
developers. The linked data community needs to answer these
questions...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> no definitely
doesn't devalue it</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> there is a cloud - web
services - that people are using - but it doesn't devalue the
linked data cloud.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3005">http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3005</a>
'Amazon has both SOAP and REST interfaces to their web
services, and 85% of their usage is of the REST interface.'</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we just need to
make it as easy-to-use Linked Data as possible</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (let's not get
bogged down on soap vs rest)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (ah, good pointer
danbri!)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (maybe back to API
vs. Linked Data format issue)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> You should just be able to
ask a question by a very simple query in javascript ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> user = weblogin();
name=user.foaf:name</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> ldQuery</p>
<p class='phone'>Sorry but I actually have to leave the call
right now... :(</p>
<p class='phone'>Hope someone else can take over
scribing...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> any more
questions?</p>
<p class='phone'>Thanks Tim!</p>
<p class='phone'>Very highly enriched information.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> Ok, thanks for coming
... sprry the note isn't finished yet</p>
<p class='phone'>Also wonder how this interoperates with
OneSocialWeb XMPP-based architecture...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thanks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> thanks timbl</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> thanks!</p>
<p class='phone'>But this is too big a quetion for today.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> bye for now!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> thanks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> we normally ask aout
role of w3c</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> thanks!!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Yes, that would
have been a good question...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> oh, good point!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> TimBL, if you can
answer this one :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> TimBL: W3C is
engaging community in general.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we've invited them
to calls and TPAC :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> ... and invite
them to TPAC.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/News/2009#entry-8674">http://www.w3.org/News/2009#entry-8674</a>
fits in?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>timbl</cite>> It isn't ready yet,
don't review it until we have it more finishde</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> but the problem is
that with most of these Social APIs, and even W3C DAP API, we
have these descriptive features mied in</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> good point</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> makes sense</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> big deal</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> take care
timbl!</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to send Team a simple e-mail
overview for Social Web API [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-132
- Send Team a simple e-mail overview for Social Web XG [on
Harry Halpin - due 2010-03-10].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> great</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> bye all</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> bye all!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> trackbot, end
meeting</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to send
Team a simple e-mail overview for Social Web API [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Anita to draft
XMPP and mobile notes and put them on wiki [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make
WBS survey on ranking future topics to be continued afterwards
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mcarvalh to look
at Contact API and put those in Google Doc [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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