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  <h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>30 Sep 2009</h2>

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  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>danbri, DKA, jsalvachua, rreck, tpa,mischat,hajons
      FabGandon, Carine, petef, peter st. audre, hhalpin, MacTed,
      bblfish, melvster, rreck</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>hhalpin</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>mischat</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
        2009-09-30T13:00-15:00Z</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">General Organization</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">Invited Guest Invitations</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">user stories</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">Peter St. Andre of XMPP</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 30 September
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; Hi guys, I'm sorry I'm
    going to have to miss this one, there seems to be no signal at
    all where I'm at today.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; no problem tpa</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; did you check in
    with henry story yet?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; hhalpin: we're supposed
    to do it sometime this week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; hhalpin: we should also
    talk at some point, off-weekly call and confer about the use
    cases and the resulting document we're aiming for?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; I guess we'll figure
    that out at a more convenient time, I'll be emailing you.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; hhalpin: i think
    you got the wrong phone handle</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; ill redail in</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; i think i was
    ??P13</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; i hung up and it
    said -hhalpin</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hi</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>hello all</p>

    <h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
    2009-09-30T13:00-15:00Z</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; zakim agenda+
    General Organization</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; zakim agenda+
    Invited Guest - Peter St. Andre on XMPP</p>

    <p class='phone'>i can scribe</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: mischat</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ROPOSED: to approve
    SWXG WG Weekly -- 23rd September 2009 as a true record plus
    adding rreck</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 23rd September 2009 as a true record
    plus adding rreck</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 23rd September 2009 as a true record
    plus adding rreck</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to meet
    again Wed. October 7th</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 meet again</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Next Wed is Evan
    from OpenMicroblogging.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Also requested we
    move things 2 hours back if possible.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>evan request for 2 hours back</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (back meaning
    forward :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; later</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; into the future</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Moving meeting to
    13:00UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; back to the future
    :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>moving meeting to 13:00 UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; Already 13:00 UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i support moving
    it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; It's already 13:00
    UTC.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; move to 15:00 UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Moving meeting to
    15:00UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; everyone is confused
    around timezones anyhow, this time of year</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; If we don't get any
    objetions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 move meeting time
    to 15:00UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; then move next
    meeting to 15:00UTC.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; I'm happy with
    15:00 UTC for next week (and indeed, generally).</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry to ask the list this week, if no
    objections we move to 15:00 UTC</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; no</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: Unless
    objections from list, telecons moved to 15:00 UTC from now
    on.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; are we expecting
    stpeter now?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; problem</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ok</p>

    <h3 id="item02">General Organization</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; bblfish, is that
    "no. problem." or "no problem."</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Technical
    Plenary?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Whose going to
    technical plenary?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; no problem. or
    +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>FabGandon</cite>&gt; going</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I should be
    going</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i can't make it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; not me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; not me</p>

    <p class='phone'>not me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; not me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; not me ;(</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AndreaP</cite>&gt; not me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; don't know yet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (i did talk to Kevin
    Marks about possibility of him talking; passed that on to
    harry/ian)</p>

    <p class='phone'>henry, fabien are going</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; you should register
    asap, the calendar is correct now.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I know you DKA</p>

    <p class='phone'>if people want to go they should register
    asap</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and then's this
    open social web day.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Is anyone going to
    Internet Identity Workshop?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>FabGandon</cite>&gt; not going to
    IIW</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; probably</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Which is right
    afterwards...</p>

    <p class='phone'>which is right after the technical plenary</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; nope</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ok just checking
    in...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; not me</p>

    <p class='phone'>registration fees are going up for the IIW</p>

    <p class='phone'>so if you want to go then you should get on it
    asap</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
    summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
    knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
    id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
    describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
    they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item03">Invited Guest Invitations</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    Opera/Widgets/OpenSocial?</p>

    <p class='phone'>i will get mine done soon, I have been
    recovering from submitting thesis this last week</p>

    <p class='phone'>danbri is a technically a bad person :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>has anyone looked at the activity streams work
    ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/">http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; I have had a brief
    look</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; me too</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; Happy to look deeper
    and perhaps write a summary for the wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'>hasn't danbri looked at it in the notube work
    ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; opensocial and
    activity streams are looking to align</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I think it's
    definitely worth summarziing for the wiki and yes it is
    aligning to opensocial.</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry thinks it would be good for some to host
    a session on the activity streams work</p><a name="action03"
    id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to invite Ben Laurie from
    OAuth/Google Wave security to W3C Social Web talk [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-92
    - Invite Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google Wave security to W3C
    Social Web talk [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-10-07].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; Do we have Chris
    Messina on the invite list already?</p>

    <p class='phone'>who spoke ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; petef</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; +1 for having it in
    the final report at least, and seems good to invite them to
    present</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look into activitystreams
    invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - petef</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1 to having on the final report</p><a name=
    "action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> pferne to look into activitystreams
    invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-93
    - Look into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina [on
    Peter Ferne - due 2009-10-07].</p><a name="action06" id=
    "action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
    book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>i will get the mail out to the BBC persian
    people</p>

    <p class='phone'>please do :)</p><a name="action07" id=
    "action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to invite BBC Persia people to
    talk about their use of social media [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - mischat</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffield to invite BBC Persia people
    to talk about their use of social media [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - mtuffield</p>

    <p class='phone'>mtiffiel</p>

    <p class='phone'>spelt wrong</p>

    <p class='phone'>:)</p>

    <p class='phone'>swh's fault</p><a name="action09" id=
    "action09"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to invite BBC Persia people
    to talk about their use of social media [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-94
    - Invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social
    media [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2009-10-07].</p>

    <h3 id="item04">user stories</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Quick note
    Christine on Open Social Web day?</p>

    <p class='phone'>re user stories, oshani is away today</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; oof <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a>
    takes a while to load</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; cool!</p>

    <p class='phone'>Christine has talked to Dan, re : OPen Social
    Web day. Dan to add to the wiki, and will be setting up an
    eventbrite for the event</p>

    <p class='phone'>a conference call is scheduled for this coming
    friday</p>

    <p class='phone'>there is a need for some more marketing to
    happen</p>

    <p class='phone'>henry, just an email confirmation that the
    auditorium has been booked along with</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; good news!</p>

    <p class='phone'>projectors, wifi, and stuff</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry had a question about the user stories,
    perhaps they are too complicated</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; it would nice to
    get user story doc done between TPAC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; sorry before
    TPAC!</p>

    <p class='phone'>christine has taken a high level ID, so that
    the use cases can be clustered</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; is this work
    online?</p>

    <p class='phone'>high level concepts to classify the user
    stories</p>

    <p class='phone'>for organisational purposes</p>

    <p class='phone'>christine to check if she can get the document
    she was been working on online</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; please do</p>

    <p class='phone'>so christine will aim to share the structure
    she has built with the groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Goal, Summary,
    Actors, Preconditions, Trigger, Basic Course of Events,
    Alternative Paths, postconditons, business rules and then
    metadata about author/date.</p>

    <p class='phone'>at the moment we have goals, actions,
    triggers, ...</p>

    <p class='phone'>thanks harry</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; remove some
    ofit.</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry would like to remove of it</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry thinks it is a bit too complicated at
    the moment</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 summary</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry would like to get some summaries and
    pre-conditions up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; -1 business rules</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; Just as interest,
    here is a very developed set of user stories for the future of
    identity <a href=
    "http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/">http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/</a>
    with real stories. Clearly we don't need to go that far. But it
    is an interesting example</p>

    <p class='phone'>simplify the use stories to 3 parts</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; +1 for
    simplification</p>

    <p class='phone'>summary, pre-conditions, post-conditions ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i think actors is
    self evident possibly</p>

    <p class='phone'>can you repeat that hhalpin ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; pre-condition/basic
    course of events/goal accomplished (maybe alternative
    paths)?</p>

    <p class='phone'>thanks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; So just have 3
    categories for every use-case.</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; seems ok</p>

    <p class='phone'>i am happy to go through and summarise if need
    be</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ok. I am in the
    same offices as tim right now</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> i didn't get any of
    that</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; breaking up</p>

    <p class='phone'>you were breaking up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; YEs, the link is
    here <a href=
    "http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/">http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; looks like a
    fashion magazine</p>

    <h3 id="item05">Peter St. Andre of XMPP</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> saw this at the social
    web camp.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; but it's called
    "Identity Revolution - Multi Disclipinary Perspectives"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; very developed user
    stories on identity with very in depth characters</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp, and how it can be integrated from the
    social web</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Peter go for
    it!</p>

    <p class='phone'>and how it will fit in with the w3c and the
    wider community</p>

    <p class='phone'>people which are interested in microblogging,
    buddy cloud</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; the relationship
    with OMB would be interesting.</p>

    <p class='phone'>trying to figure out what problems the SWXG
    are trying to solve</p>

    <p class='phone'>and how the XMPP community can help</p>

    <p class='phone'>the SWXG has noticed that the W3C has ignored
    the social web tech</p>

    <p class='phone'>and the group wants to write an introductory
    report on the landscape of technologies in the social web</p>

    <p class='phone'>for example the widgets work, and the open
    social work, and how this is pushing towards the notion of a
    decentralised social network</p>

    <p class='phone'>so the group would like to figure how the W3C
    can help influence future development on the social Web</p>

    <p class='phone'>and the group is interested in how the
    technologies can be built upon, technologies like openid,
    oauth, xmpp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; (sorry, should have
    went through them one at a time!)</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp grew out of instance messaging</p>

    <p class='phone'>instant</p>

    <p class='phone'>the initial idea was to build ontop of XML,
    taking the ideas of Jabber and building on XML to build a
    stream</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 1. Final Report on
    over-arching technologies 2. Adoption of social web
    technologies by W3C internally 3. How the W3C should evolve to
    interact with the wider social web commuity</p>

    <p class='phone'>the idea was to have a peer-2-peer based
    method of shifting xml between points on the web</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; so it started out
    very general purpose</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; that's
    interesting</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp was designed be a generalised transport
    mechanism</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; see <a href=
    "http://metajack.im/2008/11/21/chesspark_design_details_part_1_why_xmpp/">
    http://metajack.im/2008/11/21/chesspark_design_details_part_1_why_xmpp/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>rpc technology, some gaming, file sharing,
    file sharing, google wave</p>

    <p class='phone'>are all built on top of xmpp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; and <a href=
    "http://metajack.im/2009/03/12/awesome-demo-of-real-time-xmpp-powered-app/">
    http://metajack.im/2009/03/12/awesome-demo-of-real-time-xmpp-powered-app/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re google talk see
    <a href=
    "http://code.google.com/apis/talk/jep_extensions/extensions.html">
    http://code.google.com/apis/talk/jep_extensions/extensions.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>google talk using xmpp for their signalling
    channel to set up voice and video calls</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (google talk basic
    text messages are themselves xmpp)</p>

    <p class='phone'>there is a standards body</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re social, ... see
    <a href=
    "http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social">http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>pidgin is implementing an open-source xmpp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; how oauth and
    openid fit in with XMPP is quite interesting.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; oauth - <a href=
    "http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0235.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0235.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>plans are afoot to use oauth and xmpp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; fireeagle and xmpp
    see <a href=
    "http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/developer/documentation/xmpp_faq">http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/developer/documentation/xmpp_faq</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>this is used in fireeagle</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (also not mentioned
    but hey... rdf query over xmpp - <a href=
    "http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html">http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html</a>
    )</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I thought it
    switched from polling to pushing...</p>

    <p class='phone'>polling is a problem on services, and xmpp
    fixes this by pushing</p>

    <p class='phone'>this technology is becoming popular for real
    time search</p>

    <p class='phone'>this can save service providers on hardware
    wear and tear</p>

    <p class='phone'>apple is doing some experiments with push for
    their iphone tech</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Is pubsub</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; (I think)</p>

    <p class='phone'>there is work in the xmpp community on the
    transport tech side, but there isn't much movement in the
    development of social software</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; hhalpin: that is
    correct</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Good overview</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; go for danbri!</p>

    <p class='phone'>perhaps the w3c would be a place where the
    xmpp could integrate with social web people</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; q re MUC (multi user
    chat)</p>

    <p class='phone'>danbri question : lots of people are stuck in
    the IRC world, and IM chats are advancing faster than multi
    user chat</p>

    <p class='phone'>so there is xmpp work in an online chat room
    chess game? and this builds upon a multi user chat room</p>

    <p class='phone'>MUC could be used for real-time modeling of a
    XML sequence, could be used to collaboratively write
    documents</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp has some strong points ;</p>

    <p class='phone'>XML, a good thing, we fixed some security
    issues which IRC had</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; one question would
    be if XMPP should at some point replace IRC as a communication
    point for W3C.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; hmmm... create a
    MUC, invite validator@xmpp.w3.org and start working on XHTML
    snippets...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; yes, this might be
    an effective way of working although the W3C has a lot of
    infrastructure invested in IRC.</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp has a cert based authentication</p>

    <p class='phone'>and doesn't reveal your IP address as in
    IRC</p>

    <p class='phone'>there is ongoing work to distribute rooms over
    a network so that if a peer goes down</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp community haven't tried to get rid off
    IRC, or other tech</p>

    <p class='phone'>collaborative point of view, you can send
    structure data, you could have forms pop up for voting</p>

    <p class='phone'>dod ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; department of
    defence mischat</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp is the only approved chat mechanism for
    the dod</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; part of the usa
    government</p>

    <p class='phone'>IRC had too many security issues, and the dod
    are moving to use XMPP group chat</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; native prescence
    +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>and we have a link to the chess game ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.chesspark.com/">http://www.chesspark.com/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>XMPP has support for native presence
    information, and for network availability</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>caribou</cite>&gt; audience
    segregation for presence?</p>

    <p class='phone'>presence information is not on IRC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; pidgin handles
    both irc and xmpp -- im using it now ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Well, I'm
    currently on Pidgin which does both IRC and XMPP chats.</p>

    <p class='phone'>so when the distributed room problem gets
    solved in xmpp then it may be a viable replacement for IRC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>i too use pidgin</p>

    <p class='phone'>there is lot of ongoing work on the xmpp front
    to build towards the distributed muc</p>

    <p class='phone'>lots of open source implementations</p>

    <p class='phone'>there are projects which are working on
    clustering and high availability for high volumes of users</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; prosody.im</p>

    <p class='phone'>thanks</p>

    <p class='phone'>the prosody project is having a go at the
    distributedmuc</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; hajons?</p>

    <p class='phone'>hajons, now that xmpp is standardised, do you
    think that big companies like google will not implement the
    standard?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; hajons asked about
    standards now that XMPP is being used in Google Wave etc.</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp which used to be called jabber, came
    about 10 years ago, distributed comms model, and the exchange
    of XML turned it into XMPP</p>

    <p class='phone'>rfc came about in 2004</p>

    <p class='phone'>since the work was put into the rfc, people
    can now write their own implementations</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; who would have ever
    thought standards could promote interoperability?</p>

    <p class='phone'>google talk extended the spec for the video
    signalling</p>

    <p class='phone'>jingle work was very similar to google
    talk</p>

    <p class='phone'>and the jingle tech is now in the xmpp specs,
    and google are now looking to harmonise the open-source
    implementations of jingle with their google talk</p>

    <p class='phone'>still early days in google wave. google wave
    are trying to develop the technology in the open, which was
    different to the google talk. google talk was implemented and
    then it was released in the wild</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Do people mind
    extending the call 15-20 minutes to deal with questions?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 extend, but i may
    have to drop</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp is a good community of people, and they
    are standardisation friendly</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; +1 extend</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry question : are there plans for the xmpp
    auth to be integrated with openid</p>

    <p class='phone'>and second question, will xmpp integrate with
    the TLS?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ah, that clears
    things up a bit from the outside.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (interesting, i was
    wondering whether foaf:jabberID needed updating)</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp has always used ssl for encryption</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; starTLS to upgrade
    a port to encryption - but that's per-hop not end-to-end (i.e.
    OTR?)</p>

    <p class='phone'>since 2004, there has been a start_tls
    command, which is a per hop encrypted</p>

    <p class='phone'>encryption</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; very cool: start
    with TLS and upgrade to encrypted when you want encryption.
    Should use this for foaf+ssl :-)</p>

    <p class='phone'>it is possible that there is clear-text on the
    server</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; bblfish,
    HTTP/HTTPS doesn't allow upgrades to encrypted connections on
    the same port.</p>

    <p class='phone'>as the moment there is no end-to-end
    encryption</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; what's the issues
    with OTR?</p>

    <p class='phone'>they have looked at pptp</p>

    <p class='phone'>and have looked smime</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; so just go
    end-to-end TLS</p>

    <p class='phone'>but people dont have certs, so they have
    looked a tls, and how it can be reworked to do end-end
    encryption</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; OTR is a bit of a
    hack with weird signalling...can only encrypt plain text
    message.</p>

    <p class='phone'>in OTR you can only encrypt the plain text
    messages</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Doesn't encrypt the
    rest of the XML</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; tinkster: I thought
    that is what peter said</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ah, that makes a
    lot of sense</p>

    <p class='phone'>for example you can only encrypt the message
    body, e.g. "Hello World"</p>

    <p class='phone'>not the whole XML message</p>

    <p class='phone'>OTR does not give end-to-end security</p>

    <p class='phone'>there are issues with certs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; encrypted group
    chat end-to-end?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; very hard
    problem.</p>

    <p class='phone'>for doing end-to-end group is a hard
    problem</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; the default w3c
    chat is not encrypted</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; so it's still in
    the scope but in the future</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; room itself with
    certifcate?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://silcnet.org/">http://silcnet.org/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; GPG allows
    messages to be encrypted to multiple users.</p>

    <p class='phone'>first to work on end-to-end encryption, and
    then there will be work on the group chat encryption</p>

    <p class='phone'>question petef. Google Waves server - server
    federation is xmpp, will anymore of it be based on xmpp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt;
    multiuser_encypted_message = concat( encrypt(plaintext_message,
    random_key), encrypt(random_key, recip1_key),
    encrypt(random_key, recip2_key), encrypt(random_key,
    recip3_key), ...)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; "special google
    magic" :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; protobuf</p>

    <p class='phone'>discussion to have xmpp version of the client
    - server xmpp is not high on google's todo list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/">http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>the wave server is no based on xmpp</p>

    <p class='phone'>not for client-server</p>

    <p class='phone'>but they use it for server - server comms</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp does federation well very, xmpp does it
    server-server encrypted comms well</p>

    <p class='phone'>quite a few xmpp mobile clients</p>

    <p class='phone'>nokia are doing work on xmpp (hajons are there
    any links?)</p>

    <p class='phone'>there are questions to how effecient xmpp is,
    due to long lived tcp connection</p>

    <p class='phone'>90% of traffic in an IM environment</p>

    <p class='phone'>is presense</p>

    <p class='phone'>presence</p>

    <p class='phone'>not chat</p>

    <p class='phone'>there are ways to manage presence information
    in xmpp, so that you dont have to receive presence data
    continuously</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-chat">http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-chat</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>there is work underway todo diff's on the
    information sent across to to clients</p>

    <p class='phone'>ovi.com</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href="http://ovi.com">http://ovi.com</a>
    (nokia system for mobile stuff)</p>

    <p class='phone'>thank hajons</p>

    <p class='phone'>thans</p>

    <p class='phone'>buddlyclowd etc</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; gtg, thanks
    peter.</p>

    <p class='phone'>google talk for andriod apparently doesn't use
    xmpp</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://buddycloud.com">http://buddycloud.com</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>so there was a google talk service which was a
    developer back channel on andriod, which is built ontop of
    google talk, which is xmpp.</p>

    <p class='phone'>remote scripting opens up security holes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; basically, Google
    Android doesn't actually do XMPP despite the fact that's its
    heavily requested</p>

    <p class='phone'>henry is asking about client side
    authenication based on certs (foaf+ssl)</p>

    <p class='phone'>xmpp is uses SASL external (dont know what the
    tech is), which enables xmpp to use client based certs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; x509 certificates
    is the key issue as most people don't have them - although
    everyone does have a social networking page :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>this is used by the army, because they all
    have certs, allowing for X.509 certs</p>

    <p class='phone'>thanks tinkster :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; sounds like a
    pretty good idea!</p>

    <p class='phone'>the aim is to have your client create a cert,
    which it could be used to do end-to-end encryption</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; (rather than
    having pidgin storing all our passwords cleartext...)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> pidgin is very naughty
    like that</p>

    <p class='phone'>in foaf+ssl, your cert is assigned to a URI,
    which is resolvable</p>

    <p class='phone'>foaf+ssl allows for a decentralised social
    network</p>

    <p class='phone'>with danbri's jqbus now</p>

    <p class='phone'>maybe</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html">http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0154.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0154.html</a>
    has vcard, foaf etc stuff</p>

    <p class='phone'>harry question : what could do the W3C do in
    this community to help take the xmpp work forward ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; the answer can be
    done over e-mail :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I would assume
    membership is a huge barrier</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; have to go now;
    thanks a lot to Peter</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>stpeter</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0071.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0071.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>caribou</cite>&gt; coordination is
    better at group level</p>

    <p class='phone'>peter said that there is potential for
    collaboration between xmpp and the SWXG</p>

    <p class='phone'>sorry</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter</a>
    ("The chairs will strive to make sure that W3C membership is
    not a problem for independent, student and low-wage members,
    while noting that employees of larger companies are typically
    expected by W3C to encourage their employer to join W3C.")</p>

    <p class='phone'>oauth to become a standard soon</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; via IETF and
    cultural question</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; danbri, you wanted to
    ask about vcard and to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; probably the w3c's
    best role is to verify things that come out of running code and
    communities.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; mischa?</p>

    <p class='phone'>sorry, i keep being called by people at
    work</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; basically, people
    in social web realm have a big cultural difference</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; w3c needs to get
    closer to running code</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; danbri: protocols
    with security are the way to go</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; danbri: for
    standards body</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; danbri: but schemas
    should be informal</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; can we build
    hackfests into our program</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i mean, if you're
    doing a protocol, it needs more review and formality than
    making a descriptive schema</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; +1 re hackfests</p>

    <p class='phone'>schemas may best be built informally, like at
    a hack fest, where at protocols tend to need more effort, and
    as a result might need a working group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; how can we get this
    energy channelled</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; back to running
    code</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; thanks alot!</p>

    <p class='phone'>pete thinks this is exciting, and he will get
    people from his group to try and get involved with the SWXG</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; thanks stpeter!</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> i will do it</p><a name=
    "action10" id="action10"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to write up Peter's talk on
    XMPP [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-95
    - Write up Peter's talk on XMPP [on Mischa Tuffield - due
    2009-10-07].</p>

    <p class='phone'>bye all</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Meeting
    adjourned</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re future meetings,
    i circulated <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/WidgetsDiscussion">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/WidgetsDiscussion</a>
    and got positive feedback from David Recordon and Joseph
    Smarr</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; thanks!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; rrsrrsagent, create
    minutes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; trackbot, end
    meeting</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to invite
  Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google Wave security to W3C Social Web talk
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to write
  up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to invite
  BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to
  invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffield to
  invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look
  into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> pferne to look
  into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
  book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
  summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
  knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
  describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
  change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  [End of minutes]<br />
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