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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>19 Aug 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0018.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Yves, Thierry, Silvia, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Jack, Michael, Davy, Erik</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>raphael</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 19 August
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; like updating the
    fragment in the URI bar when you seek manually in the
    video?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> just Yves, Thierry,
    Silvia and Raphael present on the call<br />
    ... no quorum :-(</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> discussing my today's
    blog post</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribe: raphael</p>

    <p class='phone'>Silvia ... i'm considering making a small
    demo</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> not implementing the
    protocol stuff the group is doing, but rather emulating the
    visual effect on client / UA side<br />
    ... basically, the YouTube use case</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> +1, we want to demonstrate
    how to bookmark a fragment of a video</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> my implementation will be
    based on javascript + perhaps the video element of HTML5</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; about query: <a href=
    "http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; might be useful</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0011.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0011.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I suggest we seriously
    discuss the use of query vs fragment</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; or link to a manifest
    file somewhere</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; or to a URI template
    (if applicable)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> in case of query, how the
    new resource can be linked to the original resource?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> perhaps using the link
    header</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> and the problem of the UA
    getting the full duration of the parent resource in case of the
    fragment, see ISSUE-11<br />
    ... do we need to define an extra header ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves, it is always in the case of a range
    request</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> so no problem<br />
    ... for example, the server will serve, this is the bytes for
    the range 10s - 20s / the full duration of the resource</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Communication">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Communication</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> correct, this is
    incomplete, I will correct this wiki page</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I will take proper
    action for closing the ISSUE-11 if the problem is addressed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Great, that closes the ISSUE-11, at least for
    the fragment</p>

    <p class='phone'>I will email the group about that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> what we need to fix asap
    is: the scheme syntax of media fragment, and the protocol
    aspect (communication UA / server)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the ACTION-49 will be done
    by the beginning of September</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, that will make the
    work more concrete</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt">
    http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> since our examples will
    contain the full HTTP request and HTTP response</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I will write my use case
    by the next telecon<br />
    ... and I will write a paragraph on the use of fragment vs
    query ... among the lines of my blog post</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>I want also we discuss the relationships
    between the spatial dimension of Media Fragments and Image
    Sprites, see <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> perhaps finish the time
    dimension first<br />
    ... but address that later</p>

    <p class='phone'>I will create a new issue regarding this
    point</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> TPAC, worth to meet ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> perhaps a accessible
    media workshop colocated</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> if workshop, mozilla will
    fund me and I will be there</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> in this case, I will
    make it too and Yves will be there<br />
    ... might worth to have then a meeting, perhaps using Media
    Annotations arrangement</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-96?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-96 -- Yves
    Lafon to make change to temporal-optional-comma specification
    -- due 2009-08-19 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/96">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/96</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; * ACTION-96: Yves to
    make change to temporal-optional-comma specification</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-96</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-96 Make
    change to temporal-optional-comma specification closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Question: do we need also editUnits, <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0018.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0018.html</a>
    ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> my problem with editUnit,
    is that this is container specific<br />
    ... even worse, this is encoding specific<br />
    ... I can write a reply about that<br />
    ... editing the WD directly in the cvs ?<br />
    ... capture the discussion within the wiki but update the main
    document that contains the spec in the cvs</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to update the wiki + cvs
    document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and
    for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-97
    - Update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme
    for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [on
    Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-08-26].</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-89?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-89 -- Yves
    Lafon to find out more about fragment identifier registration
    -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>we need to write a small IETF draft for IANA
    consideration</p>

    <p class='phone'>we need to make a plan for that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> first, get a good story
    from our document, and then the IETF document will just link to
    our document</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-89</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-89 Find out
    more about fragment identifier registration closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>I will open a new ISSUE to remind us that we
    need to write a IETF draft for proposing how to register the
    fragment scheme for all media types</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> this IETF draft should
    contain a how-to register the fragment spec for media
    fragments<br />
    ... and we should ask for a template of what does it mean when
    we come accross a media fragment</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> this is a different issue
    ... something to consider</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I will make another
    issue<br />
    ... for the media type registration template<br />
    ... needs to be discussed then within IETF</p>

    <p class='phone'>AOB?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; thanks everybody!</p>

    <p class='phone'>thanks</p>

    <p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to update
  the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for
  specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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