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<h1>Project Review: Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group</h1>
<h2>14 Jun 2007</h2>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Raphael Troncy (CWI), Michael Cooper, Steve Bratt, Mauro Nunez, Jose
Manuel Alonso, Ralph Swick, Gerald Oskoboiny, Dan Connolly, Yves Lafon,
Susan Lesch, Ted Guild, Klaus Birkenbihl, Ivan Herman, Kazuyuki
Ashimura, Judy Brewer, Ian Jacobs, Carine Bournez, Liam Quin, Richard
Ishida, Marie-Claire Forgue, Eric Prud'hommeaux</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Dominique Hazaël-Massieux</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Ivan Herman</dd>
<dt>Presenter</dt>
<dd>Raphael Troncy, CWI</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Mauro Nunez</dd>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<div class="meeting">
<p class="phone"> </p>
<p class="phone"> </p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>ivan</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/">Slides for
presentation</a></p>
<p class="phone">[ Ivan introduces Raphael ]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/">Multimedia Semantics Incubator
Group</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/">Cover
Slide</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> (which face is Raphael's?)</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: I am in the center with
my hand on my belt</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 2 - MMSem Pointers]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> kudos for using the public mailing
list for most of the discussion!</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 3 - MMSem Goals]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 4 - MMSem Activities]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 5 - MMSem Deliverables]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/39139/status">Multimedia Semantics
Incubator Group Patent Policy Status</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 6 - Image Annotation on the
Semantic Web]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 7 - Image Annotation on the
Semantic Web]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 8 - Multimedia Annotation
Interoperability Framework]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 9 - Multimedia Annotation
Interoperability Framework]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 10 - Managing Personal
Photos]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 11 - Facetting Music
Songs]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 12 - Bringing NewsML in the Semantic Web]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 13 - Managing your Web 2.0 Personomy]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 14 - MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> "It's an ISO standard, making it
difficult to use."</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 15 - Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 16 - Multimedia Semantics: Relevant Tools and
Resources]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 17 - Liaison]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 18 - MMSem Success]</p>
<p class="phone">[slide 19 - MMSem Future]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: we hope to submit a new
XG charter to W3C in mid-July</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... and would like to resume work
in September</p>
<p></p>
<p class="phone"><strong>--- Q&A session---</strong></p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> at the XG we used some XML-based
schema<br />
... and the question is if W3C should publish new ontologies based on these
schemas<br />
... and what we should do with that?</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ralph:</cite> thanks Raphael for an informative
session<br />
... have the XG considered publishing the ontologies in XG work space?</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, we have</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri">URIs for W3C Namespaces</a></p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> ... but we are not sure</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> wich community cares for continuing with
this activity?</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ralph:</cite> the other interesting question is about
maintainance<br />
... and who would do it<br />
... and I also wonder about the output of the XG<br />
... what is the challenge for W3C about this output?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> DanC: if the community around the
ontology is the XG, then the XG is more than welcome to publish the ontology
at /YYYY/MM/blah-blah , per <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri">http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri</a></p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael</cite>if we publish an ontology, should we
have just the OWL or a document also?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>ivan</cite>> +1</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> the feeling within the group is not to
follow a Rec track now (could be a target in another year)<br />
... we would rather try to see if the existing technologies are enough<br />
... we think they are not</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Ralph: the consensus of both the
SemWeb Best Practices WG and the SemWeb Deployment WG, as documented in the
Vocabulary Management Working Draft(s) is that both forms -- the
machine-readable OWL and the human-readable HTML are desirable</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>Zakim</cite>> DanC, you wanted to note that the
level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> notes that the level of endorsement
around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ralph:</cite> is useful for the XG to point out what
things can be re-used<br />
... the XG can publish its work, new ontologies<br />
... but what part of the community interested would like to see the REC stamp
on it?</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> we wondered also about that within the
group<br />
... about the formality, I am not sure they fully understand the W3C
process<br />
... currently we don't need to go to the formality of a WG but we might need
it in the future</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>Zakim</cite>> DanC, you wanted to ask about the
"OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG
negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> I note that Raphael just uttered one
of the things we are concerned about: no distinction between TR and xG
report</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: IPTC pretty much happy
with things being published somewhere on w3.org</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... DIG35 not sure what level of
formality we might need</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite>do we have the right for derivative work
(related to mpeg-7)?</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, we have rights to do derivative
work<br />
... I am not sure if we can publish this ontology, I need to check on that</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: we made an official
liaison with ISO and they're commenting on our work</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> is either of those organizations
interested on publishing the OWL?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> I3A: I do not know</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: ISO not interested in
publishing OWL</p>
<p class="phone">International Imaging Industry Association (I3A)</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> who is in discussions with them?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... not sure if I3A is interested,
but they're OK with W3C publishing when an agreement is signed</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> Daniel Dardailler is involved on it</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison">http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: our other question is how
to get more industry involvement in follow-on work</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> (which row in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison">http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison</a>
? a text search for "multimedia" fails)</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> search for Raphael :-)</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> (ah... <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A">http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A</a>
)</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> my initial reaction is that you should
try to identify those members that would like to be involve, and then they
should contact their AC Rep<br />
... I would be happy to do such contacts</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> yes DanC</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Ian: we've discussed the potential
of confusion between different kinds of TRs; in particular RECs and XG
reports</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, sometimes</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... is it the case that [some of
the liaisons] really don't care about the difference?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: they don't seem to
care</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> to participate in the group was a
great experience, time consuming but great</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Kaz:</cite> thanks for a good presentation, it was a
pity I couldn't see the presentation at WWW2007, I attended W3C Track<br />
... the Multimodal Interaction WG, which develops MMI Architecture etc.,
would like to collaborate</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> that would be great</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>kaz</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/">http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/</a></p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> when do you plan to finally publish all
the documents?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/">http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> (public page is <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)">http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)</a></p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> next week we will send it out</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> Yes we will be happy to make the
publication news.</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> can you provide us with a paragraph for
the publication?<br />
... SusanL will then *polish* it</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, will do</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>IanJ:</cite> is it ok to set expectation for next
steps on that publication?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> leave open public list</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> close member list</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>IanJ:</cite> what happen with mailing lists, for
example?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> close XG at the same time as
publication</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> leave wiki open</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> also, please draft an email for the
ac with expectations about next steps</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, the public mailing list stays
open, member mailing list closes, wiki stays open, the reference to the XG
dissapears</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> thanks Raphael for your presentation</p>
<a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael
review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to
interests of other organizations [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> thanks everybody, motion to adjourn</p>
<p class="phone">MEETING ADJOURNED</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael review the record to
be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other
organizations [recorded in <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br
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