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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>08 Oct 2008</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0040.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael, Yves, Thierry, Davy, Silvia, Michael</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Jack</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Michael</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. ISSUES</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. USE CASES</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. STATE OF THE ART</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">5. AOB</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Meeting: Media
    Fragments Working Group Teleconference</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 08 October
    2008</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Scribe: Michael</p>


    <h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Accept minutes?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for accepting
    the minutes</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves will take care of the Wiki issue right
    after call</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: minutes
    from 2008/10/01 telecon accepted</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. ISSUES</h3>

    <p class='phone'>-&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues</a>
    Issues</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I've structured the
    issue on the Wiki, most seem to concern all UC<br />
    ... temporal seem ok spatial is still open</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> temporally connected
    fragments?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Video UC</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> multiple URIs is hard to
    deal with, though I see it is needed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Thinking back of the
    interview, edited in two parts</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Silvia points out
    the complexity of multi-fragment URIs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Given what Silvia
    suggests, I think this issue is related to the playlist UC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; xspf = playlist
    format</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; The question boils
    to: can a multi-fragment URI be implemented as a playlist? is
    it the same thing?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> follow up on F2F</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> spatial fragment shape?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Might be a matter of
    complexity, maybe in the second phase of the WG?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Silvia suggests to
    look at the image maps specification</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> will look into
    it</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to look into image maps spec
    re spatial fragment shape [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - Raphael</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> containers and
    substreams</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> From HTTP POV we're
    looking at resources<br />
    ... in the media POV a container<br />
    ... however re RTSP the format the container<br />
    ... should focus on HTTP</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Wouldn't is make sense
    to list all container formats we want to deal with?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> ack to support container
    formats</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Is the Matroska
    (mkv) format relevant for example?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; documenting what we
    investigated is good for other people to find out where we are
    coming from once we have a solution</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for
    documentation</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='phone'>sorry, for whom?</p><a name="action02" id=
    "action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy and Erik to document container
    formats [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-3 -
    And Erik to document container formats [on Davy Van Deursen -
    due 2008-10-15].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> In-context /
    Out-of-context</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; The wiki section is
    badly phrased, should be rephrased</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; the difference between
    a fragment and a complete resource (which can be a part of
    something bigger), depends mostly on the way we identify the
    fragment</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Representation and
    Implementation Issues<br />
    ... URI Fragment / URI Query</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; thanks Silvia, most
    appreaciated you took this action</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; I would note that ';'
    is another separator that ca be useful here</p><a name=
    "action03" id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to flesh out how far can we go
    with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and
    the server [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-4 -
    Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the
    interaction between the UA and the server [on Silvia Pfeiffer -
    due 2008-10-15].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Fragment Name and
    Description</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael and Silvia agree on non-semantics of
    the labels</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Status of a Media
    Fragment</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Problem with ? is
    that the query is a new resource, or at least no formal
    connexion between the fragment and the parent resource</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yves, can you put
    on IRC the link of the draft you're talking about?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-01.txt">
    http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-01.txt</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yves, would you
    like to take an action for checking the status of ';' in a
    URI?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; sure</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Silvia: ByteRanges
    has advantages (cachable, proxies, etc.) and I'm all for the
    '#' but 8 years ago, I found the limit of the hash
    URI</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to check the status of ';' in a
    URI [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-5 -
    Check the status of ';' in a URI [on Yves Lafon - due
    2008-10-15].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Protocols</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yves notes that
    defining a range unit as as easy as defining a new header</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for learning how
    RTSP fragments work</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Sivia:</cite> my in-line action here is
    well covered</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> Server, Caches and
    Proxies</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> would be nice to find a
    generic way<br />
    ... however, seems not too realistic</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Silvia: would
    propose to cover HTTP (+ HTTPs, FTP)</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. USE CASES</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> going through UCs</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> working on the Map and
    Multi Resolution UC<br />
    ... zoomify providing input</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. STATE OF THE ART</h3>

    <p class='phone'>-&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art</a></p>

    <h3 id="item05">5. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> put logistics and agenda
    for second F2F in Gent are online</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Logisitics page:
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; IMPORTANT: book
    your hotel before Nov 8th for getting the discount !!!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> file upload enabled?</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy and Erik to
  document container formats [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to look
  into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to flesh
  out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction
  between the UA and the server [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to check the
  status of ';' in a URI [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

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