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  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

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    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>hhalpin</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>mischat</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
        2010-01-13T16:00-17:00GMT</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">Reviewiing Charter and Deliverable
        Progress</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">Invited Speakers 2010</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; trackbot,
    reload</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; can you hear me?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; we can all hear
    you?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ok P9 seems to be
    me</p>

    <p class='phone'>yes we can danbri</p>

    <p class='phone'>yes i will scribe</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; what are you trying
    to do?</p>

    <p class='phone'>i will mute my phone</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; it all sounds
    good</p>

    <h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
    2010-01-13T16:00-17:00GMT</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; chair: hhalpin</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: mischat</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 9th December 2009 as a true
    record</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; 2nded</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; APPROVED: SWXG WG
    Weekly -- 9th December 2009 as a true record</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; APPROVED: Meeting
    again Next Wed.</p>

    <p class='phone'>meeting next week, as per usual</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; DKA, congrats re
    <a href=
    "http://twitter.com/torgo/status/7712380658">http://twitter.com/torgo/status/7712380658</a>
    :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>use this meeting to perform Action
    cleanups?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <h3 id="item02">Reviewiing Charter and Deliverable
    Progress</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; In it, we promise
    the W3C a number of things.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 31 March 2010</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Final report.</p>

    <p class='phone'>first to review the charter, we promised a
    number of things, 31 March 2010 for final report</p>

    <p class='phone'>XG final report usually talks about what we
    should propose for future standardisation</p>

    <p class='phone'>DKA, we have gone into depth into a lot of new
    standardisation efforts</p>

    <p class='phone'>via our invited speakers mechanism we have had
    informative talks from people leading these fledging
    efforts</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I'm thinking of
    particular places...</p>

    <p class='phone'>W3C could play a gluing role to ensure that
    these fledging standardisation efforts remain patent free</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; danbri?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (i'd like to +1 that
    ... no obvious 'next single thing to stdize ... ' but lots of
    things to connect up))</p>

    <p class='phone'>DKA hasn't personally identified any specific
    standardisation efforts that are needed</p>

    <p class='phone'>clearly a role for W3C to be more involved
    with trying to coordinating outside efforts</p>

    <p class='phone'>danbri woudl like to see a coordination
    group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Anyone else?</p>

    <p class='phone'>not a working group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1 to examining the
    "coordination group" approach...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; well, a WG with some
    of the characteristics of an Interst Group and/or COordination
    Group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ie. not making new
    stds</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; i agree with danbri's
    points about a working group / coordination group</p>

    <p class='phone'>question : 3 months left in charter, we have
    to write a final report, and we need to recommend work for
    future standardisation</p>

    <p class='phone'>what area's excite people , that W3C could
    create a working group around?</p>

    <p class='phone'>what about SKOS?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; tim?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Fabian, can't identify any standardisation
    work needed to be pursued by the W3C at this point in time
    .</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; "share assets"
    -&gt; micropayments?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> thinks there is a lot of
    work to be done in W3C. It seems that we don't have work to do,
    because all of the invited speakers talked about their work.
    BUt tpa thinks that there are things which the w3c should be
    standardisation</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; portable contacts
    for media assets.</p>

    <p class='phone'>for example portable contacts for media assets
    is somehting which would be interesting for future
    standardisation</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ack ??P27</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; oops</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Christine - we can
    look at this next meeting if you want to?</p>

    <p class='phone'>christine is currently working on a big
    picture document</p>

    <p class='phone'>this shouldn't influence the current
    discussion re: future plans at the W3C</p>

    <p class='phone'>christine agrees with tpa, that there are gaps
    in the standards, and that there is much work to be done, but
    not sure if W3C is the right place to pursue this work</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; This would be Jan
    20th?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Or we could do the
    big picture/document on 27th?</p>

    <p class='phone'>we would like to get to renato on call with
    the SWXG, would be nice to get the XG to look at the big
    picture document</p>

    <p class='phone'>written by christine and renato</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to ping Renato about Jan 27th
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-117
    - Ping Renato about Jan 27th [on Harry Halpin - due
    2010-01-20].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; mischat: happy new
    years!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... trying to
    identify what to standardize post XG</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... for example, I
    could see standardize decentralized social networking</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... something this
    XG should propose?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... see a spec to
    build a social network and host a bit of it on their own
    site.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... FOAF+SSL, XMPP,
    host it on their site.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... maybe we are on
    too high of a level?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AnitaD</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; some document,
    howto on how to get a distributed social web would be good to
    have</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; following on on our
    use cases</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> we have a number of
    distinct choices</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; We could propose to
    extend the XG</p>

    <p class='phone'>we could a) Extend the XG, if we dont have a
    grasp of the landscape</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; We could transform
    into IG to help co-ordinate with non-W3C bodies</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; or</p>

    <p class='phone'>b) we could change into an IG to coordinate
    with non W3C</p>

    <p class='phone'>i think which is clear is more coordination
    between</p>

    <p class='phone'>formats and APIs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 1) Some more
    co-ordination around formats/APIS -&gt; in particular, there's
    the long awaited, call between Facebook Developer Platform,
    OpenSocial, and W3C Widgets</p>

    <p class='phone'>for example facebook developer platform,
    opensocial, and the W3C widgets</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; W3C does
    standardize APIs.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Look at the contact
    APIs and Renato's latest vCard, PortableContacts, and FOAF.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>FabGandon</cite>&gt; semantic web is
    not a WG in W3C, it is an activity ; what the past activity of
    this XG suggests to me is that the many topics of Social Web
    and their very different needs might require a whole activity
    too.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 2)
    OpenMicroblogging as a standard</p>

    <p class='phone'>if that call goes well, this could suggest
    that W3C would be in the role of standardising APIs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; This might include
    talking to Twitter...Twitter APIs.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 3) Social data
    -&gt; policy, provenance and very difficult stuff that neither
    RDF or XML do right now.</p>

    <p class='phone'>standardising of policy language, provenance,
    difficult stuff</p>

    <p class='phone'>for RDF</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; policy languages,
    applying policy languages to FOAF or PortableContacts...</p>

    <p class='phone'>so the XG could suggest how RDF could be
    updated to be useful to the Social Web</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; future work on RDF
    2.0 or something.</p>

    <p class='phone'>that would not be directly standardising</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; OWF on ID Commons
    memorandum of agreement out at some point.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Then's WRAP vs.
    OAuth debate</p>

    <p class='phone'>Wrap vs OAuth</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> types too fast ;)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Or yes, possible
    standardization of social extensions to XMPP.</p>

    <p class='phone'>AnitaD from vodaphone</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; cperey?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; we will send it to
    the list</p>

    <p class='phone'>a question for christine, what do you wish to
    do with the big picture document</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; some high-level
    ideas.</p>

    <p class='phone'>vodaphone could also provide some ideas and
    comments for the document</p>

    <p class='phone'>DKA, vodaphone is also doing work using
    XMPP</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; the URL to the
    document will be sent to the list</p>

    <p class='phone'>and they will be interacting with the XMPP
    groups, and will be inputting to the XMPP standardisation
    effort</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; that's pretty much
    what the document Renato and I have been developing</p>

    <p class='phone'>DKA is interested in a conceptual architecture
    for the Social Web</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; conceptual
    architecture</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Talk on the
    27th?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; So that Renato can
    join.</p>

    <p class='phone'>and he thinks it could be an addition to the
    Social Web final report</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Feb 3rd.</p>

    <p class='phone'>so in feb, vodaphone can talk about XMPP work
    they are doing in the Social Web</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; use-case document
    that tpa - getting pretty close</p>

    <p class='phone'>some use cases could be shortened</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; we have melvin's
    mapping and the list of social networking</p>

    <p class='phone'>melvin's mapping</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; or lengthened :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>and the list of social networks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>i am here</p>

    <p class='phone'>i am hear too</p>

    <p class='phone'>someone speak</p>

    <p class='phone'>i can hear DKA</p>

    <p class='phone'>and adam</p>

    <p class='phone'>XMPP summit is coming up soon</p>

    <p class='phone'>seems like a good chance to meet up</p>

    <p class='phone'>if people want to meet at FOSDEM</p>

    <p class='phone'>open source conference in brussells</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>buttons:</cite> )</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; mischat: I'll be there
    too, on Sunday</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; harry, we miss
    you</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; buttons :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; where is harry?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hhaplin we can't
    hear you</p>

    <p class='phone'>danbri to email the XG to ask people to come
    to the XMPP summit</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to email the XG to ask people
    to come XMPP summit [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-118
    - Email the XG to ask people to come XMPP summit [on Dan
    Brickley - due 2010-01-20].</p>

    <p class='phone'>if people from the XG are going to be there,
    they should meet up</p>

    <p class='phone'>the next step would be to move into the old
    actions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ACTION danbri
    schedule something on <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/">http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/</a>
    and widgets and opensocial</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-119
    - Schedule something on <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/">http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/</a>
    and widgets and opensocial [on Dan Brickley - due
    2010-01-20].</p>

    <p class='phone'>there are on the agenda</p><a name="action03"
    id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to take on corporate story
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-120
    - Take on corporate story [on Adam Boyet - due 2010-01-20].</p>

    <p class='phone'>adam thinks it is worthwhile</p>

    <p class='phone'>tim tagging the stories</p><a name="action04"
    id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> tanglade
    to tag existing stories [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><a name="action05"
    id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> tanglade to
    take on developer narrative and user stories with mischat
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; [INCOMPLETE]
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> (3 weeks) rreck to flesh out anonymous
    usecase connecting to multiple identies and null provenance</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> to liaise with interested
    people to take the tagging forward</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; is there a list
    online?</p>

    <p class='phone'>oshani?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; [INCOMPLETE]
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> (4 weeks) oshani to reframe the
    geolocation/intent/portability</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; so we can see what
    we are talking about?</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> (4 weeks)
    bblfish to relabel data protection use case to be about
    controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>DKA, do we have the minutes from
    TPAC</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
    write-up output of XG meeting in TPAC [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><a name="action08"
    id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> (4 weeks)
    DKA to send notes to camp to Social Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>ah</p><a name="action09" id="action09"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
    describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
    they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>killing off the invited talks</p><a name=
    "action10" id="action10"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Adam to write
    up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p><a name="action11"
    id="action11"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> oshani to
    write up David Recordon and Luke Shepard talk. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>killing off the invited talk related
    actions</p><a name="action12" id="action12"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> cperey to book
    global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>doodle</p><a name="action13" id=
    "action13"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> danbri to find
    someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p><a name="action14"
    id="action14"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to setup doodle for widget/api
    talk [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-121
    - Setup doodle for widget/api talk [on Dan Brickley - due
    2010-01-20].</p>

    <h3 id="item03">Invited Speakers 2010</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; do we want to do
    more invited speakers ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; people's
    thoughts</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; I think we should
    work on the report and then fill in the gaps</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; probably more
    invited speakers than time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; microformats?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; with invited talks
    on topics which we are missing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; danbri thinks that
    that is an indication that we should turn into an interest
    group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; yeah, I'd say maybe 1
    or 2 tops, the most salient speakers and subjects</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; microformats is
    missing...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; we could
    transform, and spend the next 2 years talking to people, and we
    could become a interest group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; anything else
    missing from the list ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; would it be
    worthwhile continuing for 2 years, just so we could talk to
    invited speakers?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; vast amounts of
    silence...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hi</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; by the time you got
    to the end of the first year, you would need to double back and
    ask people what had changed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re dap, widgets ....
    <a href=
    "http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/">http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; DKA, thinks that
    an interest group could be useful</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; talking and the
    exchange of idea is a good thing. One of the values we have got
    from invited speakers is discussion which in turn bring people
    together to collaborate</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; a webinar
    series?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; interest group
    wouldn't have clear deliverables</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; semantic web ig</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; make sure it has a
    mission</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; harry, nice thing
    about XG definite purpose, and IG's just goes on and on, and
    die due to not being focused enough</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; or take a bit
    longer with the xg</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and come out with
    with some definite recommendations.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes I think
    something with a mission is important</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; if we do do an IG,
    it must have a clear reason, and that should be either
    coordination or standardisation</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; social web
    ecosystem....</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; doesn't have
    that.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; otherwise we will
    all just end up on swig</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Well the
    co-ordination group usually consists of chairs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; what is the
    difference between an IG and an coordination group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; of WGs.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; danbri thinks
    people listen to coordination groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; the trick with the
    coordination groups is that they tend to coordinate W3C
    groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; so Harry, before you
    go....don't forget to double back and (for short term planning)
    decide what's on the agenda for meeting of 20 January?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; but any potential
    Social Web coordination group would have to coordinate with
    outside groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; there is a
    precedence for this, in the mobile initiative at the W3C</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I just e-mailed
    renato</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; there was
    coordination effort, between W3C and OOMO (????) working
    groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; asking over the
    27th.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; If he says yes,
    we'll do it.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; which stopped the
    second group from creating their own html-basic</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Otherwise, Eran and
    Ben are happy to talk about the current "conflict" over WRAP
    and OAuth.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; But I think it
    would be better to have renato talk first.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; danbri
    coordination could upset people on the outside, 'cause it could
    seem that the W3C is attempting to mandate actions of external
    groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; good question</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; i stick with my
    'it's a bit of a hybrid between IG and CG' line!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; people could
    sketch out their visions of their possible outcomes of the XG
    on the wiki</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; where on the
    wiki?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; use case document
    -&gt; architectural document on how this is done</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; this being
    distributed social web</p><a name="action15" id="action15"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to doodle over XG vs IG
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-122
    - Doodle over XG vs IG [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-01-20].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; I'll have a go ...
    maybe i'll blog something</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; Happy to help out on
    that.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; could DKA, look at
    how it entails to setup a coordination group over diverse
    bodies</p><a name="action16" id="action16"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and DKA to blog or wikize
    something on co-ordination in the social web [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-123
    - And DKA to blog or wikize something on co-ordination in the
    social web [on Dan Brickley - due 2010-01-20].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; I'll send it out at
    the end of the meeting today</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; microformats to
    the invited speaker list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; to be added that
    is :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Meeting
    Adjourned</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; thanks!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; by all</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; HAPPY NEW YEARS
    !</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat_</cite>&gt; bye all</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; happy new year</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to take on
  corporate story [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and DKA to
  blog or wikize something on co-ordination in the social web
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to email
  the XG to ask people to come XMPP summit [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to setup
  doodle for widget/api talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to doodle
  over XG vs IG [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to ping
  Renato about Jan 27th [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (4 weeks) DKA
  to send notes to camp to Social Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
  write-up output of XG meeting in TPAC [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
  describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
  change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to
  tag existing stories [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (4 weeks)
  bblfish to relabel data protection use case to be about
  controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write up
  Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to book
  global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to find
  someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to write
  up David Recordon and Luke Shepard talk. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to take
  on developer narrative and user stories with mischat [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  [End of minutes]<br />
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