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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>MMSEM Athens F2F Meeting, December 8-9 2006</h1>

  <h2>8 Dec 2006</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Dec/0014.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-irc">IRC
  log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Giorgos_Stamou, Susanne_Boll, Sofia, Stamatia,
      Chrisa_Tsinsaraki, Paola, Oscar, Eric, Tobias, Michael,
      Thierry, Tomas, Ioannis, Raphael, Jeff, Vassilis</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Jeff, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Raphael</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. Music Recommendation Use
        Case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. News Use Case (Thierry
        Declerk)</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. MPEG-7 Use Case
        (Stamatia)</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. Photo Use Case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">5. Multimedia Authoring Use
        Case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">6. Semantic Media Retrieval Use
        Case</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
  <hr />

  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>Good afternoon everybody</p>

    <p class='phone'>Jeff open the meeting</p>

    <p class='phone'>We have problems to connect to Zakim ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: Raphael</p>

    <p class='phone'>Jeff talk about the possibilities in the
    future, and mention the opportunity of having a WG</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> smooth transition between
    an XG to a WG<br />
    ... will be a topic of discussion tomorrow<br />
    ... the previous XG (content labeling) is trying to become a
    WG</p>

    <p class='phone'>I'm trying to scribe</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. Music Recommendation Use Case</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Oscar Celma is</p>

    <p class='phone'>an official new invited expert</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Introduction:</cite> personal music
    collections have grown</p>

    <p class='phone'>Music information Place: Audio (music
    recording), Text (lyrics), Video (video clips, CD covers)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Song metadata includes editorial, acoustic and
    cultural information</p>

    <p class='phone'>Users are represented by their profiles
    including demographic, geographic and psychographic
    information</p>

    <p class='phone'>Use case</p>

    <p class='phone'>Metadata initiatives for describing Audio
    Content</p>

    <p class='phone'>ID3 v2, OGG, APE v2, MusicBrainz 2.1 (RDF data
    not yet supported)</p>

    <p class='phone'>see vocabularies page</p>

    <p class='phone'>ID3, OGG and APE are tag based (free attribute
    value pairs)</p>

    <p class='phone'>All these approaches focus on editorial
    information</p>

    <p class='phone'>Audio Ontologies (in OWL)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Kanzaki, Music Production, Music
    Recommendation</p>

    <p class='phone'>See vocabularies</p>

    <p class='phone'>OGG Vorbis example</p>

    <p class='phone'>Interoperability problems and solutions:</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> Two general approaches:
    1/ integration at RDF level (song, artist instances) ; 2/
    ontology mapping ?<br />
    ... but there is no really ontologies</p>

    <p class='phone'>Concrete example, see code in the wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Idea:</cite> take the commonalities
    between all the proposed tags by these schema (ID3, OGG,
    etc.)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> for which reasons the
    ontology has been made ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>ID3 tags are inside the audio file</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jeff:</cite> is there some conflicting
    name between the various schemas ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Advantages:</cite> possible scenarios
    ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Create personalized playlists ... exploit song
    metadata (RDF), plus user profile</p>

    <p class='phone'>Upcoming gigs (user FOAF profile, geonames,
    RDF data about the venues and events</p>

    <p class='phone'>Simplify navigation in music collections
    through personalized views</p>

    <p class='phone'>integrate RDF music data into /facet</p>

    <p class='phone'>EM is Erik Mannens</p>

    <p class='phone'>Semi-automatic annotation of music</p>

    <p class='phone'>(link with the tagging use case)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Semantic podcast</p>

    <p class='phone'>Mention a wikilyrics that could have a
    webservice for getting the lyricsof a song</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Paola:</cite> relation between a
    consumer and buisness; why not B2B ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Oscar:</cite> it is possible</p>

    <p class='phone'>Future Plans:</p>

    <p class='phone'>search for commonalities between the various
    schema, build under the Music Recommendation ontology</p>

    <p class='phone'>Do a ID3 to RDF translation</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oscar and Jacco to provide a first
    implementation by Christmas [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
    id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to provide a possible B2B
    scenario [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. News Use Case (Thierry Declerk)</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; ScribeNick:
    mhausenblas</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> General introduction,
    NewsML, XBRL. UC will focus on financial domain.</p>

    <p class='phone'>Thierry explains the 'Metadata Labels</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> TITLE tag contains a list
    (even sentence) of keywords<br />
    ... not sure if keywords stem from a controlled vocabulary</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Translating XBRL
    into Description Logic</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Information about
    companie, profit and loss, etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; ScribeNick:
    mhausenblas</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Possible
    application: expose NewsML information in RDF</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Combine (lightweight)
    NewsML with XBRL descriptions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; link them with RDF
    version of XBRL and DownJonesML</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; B2B scenario</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Challenge: merging
    all the data</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jeff:</cite> Concrete Examples?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Hopefully 01/2007 real
    world data should be available<br />
    ... Chris HW is in touch with DowJones<br />
    ... Any contribution is welcome. Michael will try to get some
    real world examples from NM2</p><a name="action03" id=
    "action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael, Therry, and Chris to sync UC
    Wiki description with their new focus (financial domain)
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Paola:</cite> How about using Reuters
    test corpus?</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to supply XG with reference to
    corpus and usage license till next week. [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Back after the
    coffee break</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. MPEG-7 Use Case (Stamatia)</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Chrisa Tsinaraki
    will join this use case</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Motivation: MPEG-7
    is a set of XML schemas</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... lack of
    explicit and precise semantics</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... effort to
    attach formal semantics to mpeg7 (ontologies)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Example 1:
    semantically identically metadata can be represented in
    multiple ways</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Example 2: image
    representation in itself as a multimedia entity can be
    performed in multiple ways as well</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Example 3: a video
    segment can be a frame, a shot, a program</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Example 4: loose
    meaning of decomposition: not part/whole semantics</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Approaches:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Hunter: initially
    in DAML+OIL and then RDFS and OWL</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... link to the ABC
    core model</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... decomposition
    is captured using subclass constructs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; raphel: actually,
    the result of the decomposition, the segment !!!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; no formal axioms:
    an image cannot be decomposed temporally</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; SMARTWeb approach:
    same problem, no such axioms</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Tsinaraki:
    translation of MPEG-7 MDS into OWL</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Example whith the
    variations between Tsinaraki and Hunter ontologies</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Possible solutions:
    1/ mappings between the various ontologies ; 2/ build a core
    ontology ? ; 3/ formalize the profiles</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Scribenick:
    raphael</p>

    <p class='phone'>Chrisa presents the DS-MIRF framework</p>

    <p class='phone'>Transformations from OWL/RDF to MPEG-7/21 in
    both ways</p>

    <p class='phone'>use of a reconstruction ontology: introducing
    the ordering of the elements, the default values</p>

    <p class='phone'>the solution of the use case could be based on
    Chrisa approach</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>ocelma</cite>&gt; +1 too!</p>

    <p class='phone'>Sophia and Chrisa will join this use case</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>PB:</cite> nobody knows a use of some
    MPEG-7 ontologies ...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> why using these two
    ontologies ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> we do not focus on
    these two ontologies but rather on the mechanism for bridging
    multimedia ontologies</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> what this use case is
    about ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> there is various MPEG-7
    ontologies</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Oscar:</cite> propose to add a new
    document focusing on MPEG-7<br />
    ... taking the part in the vocabularies deliverable</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> why not making a new
    document ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>ocelma</cite>&gt; that's what I meant!
    :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1 , volunteer
    for creating it ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>ocelma</cite>&gt; +1 to contribute it
    (with Roberto Garcia, I hope!), once its created.</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1 to contribute too</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yannis:</cite> establish mappings
    between this multimedia ontologies and the existing
    vocabularies (FOAF, DC, ...)<br />
    ... would be more lessons learned that can be further used
    rather than an example of a use case</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Proposal:</cite> to take off MPEG-7 from
    the use case list and make a new standalone document</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>this document will focus on MPEG-7, the
    various ontologies, and their interoperability
    problems</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis, Raphael, Oscar, Michael,
    Stamatia to set up a new Deliverable [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>Thierry and Paul and Massimo at DFKI will join
    this deliverable</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. Photo Use Case</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Susanne Boll presents the use case</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Photos:</cite> today (pixel-based +
    additional information)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>tomorrow:</cite> capture and derive
    semantics annotation</p>

    <p class='phone'>What we want to know about photos: who, when,
    where, how long, weather, place, location, surrounding,
    company, quality, what I did, moud</p>

    <p class='phone'>Is tagging enough ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>there is not unique reasonable description
    scheme for photos (EXIF, photoRDF, IPTC)</p>

    <p class='phone'>photo undergo cross-platform distribution
    search</p>

    <p class='phone'>need for low-level features</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yiannis:</cite> MPEG-A about photo
    collections</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/technologies/mpa-pp/index.htm">
    http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/technologies/mpa-pp/index.htm</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>need for context and content</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>ocelma</cite>&gt; (similar as Music
    UC)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Existing standards: EXIF, IPTC, PhotoRDF,
    FOAF, DC, MPEG-7</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite></p>

    <p class='phone'>Interoperability problems:</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> metadata preservation and
    enrichment<br />
    ... centralized vs decentralized storage<br />
    ... lacking lean but comprehensive standard</p>

    <p class='phone'>What could be the solution ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Face recognition is really important, as well
    as Event (using potentially contextual information)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Propose to have a standard way to include in
    the photo a link towards the description</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> so that photo application
    system can use the metadata to do ... cool stuff :-)</p>

    <p class='phone'>What kind of metadata ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Focus on EXIF, a standard for visual features,
    a vocabulary for the content ...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> will you use RDF at all
    ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Susanne:</cite> I'm not against, but not
    big fan !<br />
    ... my concern is about the size of the description</p>

    <p class='phone'>Erik will join this use case</p><a name=
    "action06" id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Susanne to look again in the various
    systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together
    could be the solution [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item05">5. Multimedia Authoring Use Case</h3>

    <p class='phone'>SMIL, SVG, Flash, SMIL BLP, SVG Tiny</p>

    <p class='phone'>Example of a SMIL document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Problem:</cite> you use metadata in the
    select and assemble processes, but there is a semantics
    barriers<br />
    ... as soon as you transform it in SMIL or in Flash ... you
    loose the metadata !</p>

    <p class='phone'>What is lost: structural information is hidden
    in the format of the presentation, emergent semantics when
    authoring</p>

    <p class='phone'>What is needed: making discourse and
    structural information explicit for search and access to
    documents and fragments</p>

    <p class='phone'>Existing standards: LOM (Learning Objects
    metadata) and SMIL metadata module</p>

    <p class='phone'>Multimedia documents hide almost everything
    ... no description for search</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> an annotation problem, as
    well as an interoperability</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Proposal:</cite> is this use case a
    clear open issue ?<br />
    ... no solutions seem exist<br />
    ... we all clearly see the problems<br />
    ... but not the solutions<br />
    ... susanne will continue to edit her thoughts on the
    wiki</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to remind Susanne about what is
    this standard your group has developped ! [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item06">6. Semantic Media Retrieval Use Case</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Tobias will join the previous use case
    (Multimedia Authoring)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Ioannis Pratikakis</p>

    <p class='phone'>(From the Analysis Perspective)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Deal with semantic interoperability for
    automatic media interpretation / understanding</p>

    <p class='phone'>linking of low-level features to high level
    semantics</p>

    <p class='phone'>Example 1: lack of semantics in low-level
    descriptors (single media)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Example 2: interchange of semantics between
    media (multiple media)</p>

    <p class='phone'>This use case related to interchange of
    low-level descriptors for semantic interpretation</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> exchanging classifiers is
    more interesting that exchanging descriptors<br />
    ... MPEG-7 is useful for content-based retrieval<br />
    ... but not for any semantic access</p>

    <p class='phone'>Interoperability problems</p>

    <p class='phone'>A user might want to exchange class
    descriptions between an imaging device, a set-top box, etc ...
    the process should be exchanged</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Solution:</cite></p>

    <p class='phone'>exchange classifier parameters, and class
    descriptions</p>

    <p class='phone'>sketch of solution: multimedia core ontology,
    media descriptor ontology, classifier ontology, domain
    ontology</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> sounds really close to
    the algorithm use case</p>

    <p class='phone'>Example contained in the use cases</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> sounds like more a
    fusion problem that an interoperability problems<br />
    ... will be discussed more tomorrow with the algorithm use
    case<br />
    ... seems to have a lot of overlap</p>

    <p class='phone'>That close the meeting</p>

    <p class='phone'>Meeting starts tomorrow at 9:30 Greek time
    !!!!</p>

    <p class='phone'>See you tomorrow</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to remind
  Susanne about what is this standard your group has developped !
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oscar and Jacco
  to provide a first implementation by Christmas [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to provide
  a possible B2B scenario [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to supply
  XG with reference to corpus and usage license till next week.
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael, Therry,
  and Chris to sync UC Wiki description with their new focus
  (financial domain) [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Susanne to look
  again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4
  standards that together could be the solution [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis,
  Raphael, Oscar, Michael, Stamatia to set up a new Deliverable
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.127  of Date: 2005/08/16 15:12:03
Check for newer version at <a href=
"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>

Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)

Succeeded: s/plous/plus/
Succeeded: s/Chirs/Chris/
Succeeded: s/was/as/
Succeeded: s/buil/build/
Succeeded: s/Deliverabe/Deliverable/
Succeeded: s/all/Paul and Massimo at/
Succeeded: s/jacky?98/.../
Found Scribe: Raphael
Inferring ScribeNick: raphael
Found ScribeNick: mhausenblas
Found ScribeNick: mhausenblas
Found ScribeNick: raphael
ScribeNicks: raphael, mhausenblas
Present: Giorgos_Stamou Susanne_Boll Sofia Stamatia Chrisa_Tsinsaraki Paola Oscar Eric Tobias Michael Thierry Tomas Ioannis Raphael Jeff Vassilis
Agenda: <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Dec/0014.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Dec/0014.html</a>
Got date from IRC log name: 8 Dec 2006
Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html</a>
People with action items: chris erik jacco michael oscar paola raphael stamatia susanne therry vassilis

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