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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>03 Jun 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>+46.1.08.01.aabb, FabGandon, rreck, tpa, AlexPassant,
cperey, wonsuk, mischat, karl, danbri, hhalpin, oshani,
AlexKorth?, claudio, Cloud, tinkster, +1.203.276.aakk,
MacTed, +03539149aall</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>danbri</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>AlexPassant</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2009-06-03T13:00-15:00Z</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">General Organization and Task
Forces</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">Optional Face-to-Face
Meeting</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Invited Guests</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Creating User Stories on the
Wiki</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'>yep</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> AlexPassant++</p>
<p class='phone'>need to register as a scribe</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> nick</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> scribenick</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> Scribe: AlexPassant</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> ScribeNick:
AlexPassant</p>
<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2009-06-03T13:00-15:00Z</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Cloud</cite>> that's me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> yes, it's fine</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> resolved; true
record</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: approved
SWXG WG Weekly -- 27 May 2009 as a true record</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i can hear you
dan</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Cloud</cite>> AlexPassant lost his
IRC / Skype connection - will reconnect</p><a name="action01"
id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make scribelist [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ACTION
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong>: adam to find a good final report
template and port it to the wiki</p>
<h3 id="item02">General Organization and Task Forces</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 2. General
Organization and Task Forces</p><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to find a good final report
template and port it to the wiki [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> yes I believe
so</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> nice work!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> maybe we should
look at the task forces</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> see what the sign
up list is?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> cperey?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_Privacy_TF">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_Privacy_TF</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> task force
situation<br />
... dataportability and architecture, lot of people interested
in privacy<br />
... don't think we have critical mass for other taskforces</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> What we lack is
people taking leaders and maybe finding goals?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> contacts and privacy
together ? cperey objects</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Renato had a good
idea for policy...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> trackbot, comment
action-20 the matrix is not done yet, but rreck proposed more
metadata for evaluating the social networks. The matrix will be
done by the end of the week and will be modified step by step
on the wiki.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> fear that subjects
coevered by e-mail and during the call are quite "w3c-centric"
topic</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0015.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0015.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> How can we help
this problem, cperey?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> will it change when
invited guests will join ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> One can suggest
changes to agenda at any time, and it will change.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> What interests them
Christine?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> what are the topics of
interests?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Maybe we could do a
go around during the telecon?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> ask who should
contribute</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Discussions have
centred on meta-talk (e.g. XG structure).</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (might take a long
time)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> brainstorm a list o
questions that we could ask to people that can speak as invited
guests (e.g. mobile operators)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0013.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0013.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> I wonder if people who
are not feeling involved have read the charter? and how they
fit in this charter</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/mid/6A22F893B30D4616B7BCF72B10F193A1@T60">http://www.w3.org/mid/6A22F893B30D4616B7BCF72B10F193A1@T60</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> charter pretty opaque</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> the email discussed
can be found here : <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0013.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0013.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +q</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Scribe:
AlexPassant</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> ScribeNick:
AlexPassant'</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i agree with most of
what you said</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Hajons?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... concerns
about being too much 'W3C' oriented</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> karl: no
context task force, no clear definition of the scope</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we could talk about
scoping it now....</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agree</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> if there are
suggestions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... we didn't
try to define a scope - should do that</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Claudio attempted to
define it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> is Claudio on the
call?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> the shape of content.
Do actions to define it, more than talking on how to define
it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Karl -</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> tinkster: no it
was not karl previously</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> karl: culture
gap, people used to W3C culture</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Ah, sorry.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> perhaps it was
hajons?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... people
should make proposals / concrete actions to push their own
topics to shape the work</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> agree</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> agree</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I really don't
understand the proposal</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I think karl said
let's make concrete proposals that interest people.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I understand that
nothing get</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> and then interested
people should take "Actions" over these.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> nothing gets done
without activity</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> I have started this
model....make proposal...on a topic of interest < <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons%3E">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons></a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> renato, can you
queue and talk on the call?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... people that
do not feel confortable inside the group should propose topics
of interest, actions, etc</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 renato's policy
proposal, very concrete.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> am only on IRC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> renato, how will
people they know about this topic of interest list?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> OK. They can also
express their interests to us as invited guests</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> It has been sent to
the list and I will send to the W3C PLING list as well</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> looking at
christine's proposal</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> maybe we could do a
survey for the social networking companies out there</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> both in this list
and outside the list.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> would that be a
good idea?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Would anyone want
to take an action on that?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> sorry, I missed the
e-mail on the list. Some people have remarked that there is too
much traffic on the list which they do not feel is relevant to
them</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> hat would the survey
ask for?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> so they "tune
out"</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> hhalpin: can we get a
rough idea of what would be in that survey?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> renato, the policy
commons looks like a ACL for SNs</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/QuestionsForDiscussion">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/QuestionsForDiscussion</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> That's the survey
for questions on Christine.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> thank you Harry!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> Yes, at the moment -
most of the SN privacy/permission concepts are ACL like</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Are there
contributions which you can make to, or how would you support
the SWXG? If not your company, who do you trust most to
contribute to the SWXG in your best interest (general or
specific suggestions)?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> tpa: should
send survey to companies</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... wait a few
days to let people edit the wiki</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> maybe people should
take a close look at those questions.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think what tim is
suggesting is that we make a wiki page iwth questions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> a survey</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Also, perhaps we
could have a different kind of survey for non-profits.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> compose a survey for
social networks to take</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Did people like
using WBS Questionnaire?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I could convert
that questions into WBS format?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> first question is
Are there contributions which you can make to, or how would you
support the SWXG?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Or use
surveymonkey?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Once the questions
have been talked about for a week</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> either is fine I
think</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> second question
could be If not your company, who do you trust most to
contribute to the SWXG in your best interest (general or
specific suggestions)?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> WBS is ok</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> these are just
examples</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> of possible
questions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> so new action to work
on that questionaire?</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri follow up re whether to use
survey tool at w3c or elsewhere [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> hi Claudio</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> context task
force</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> maybe we should
consider doing a survey for ourselves, too. I doubt that we all
have the same vision on how things are gonna be or should
be</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> AlexKorth: didn't we do
that at the start of the XG?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> thanks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> claudio: try to
gave a defintion of context in a previous e-mail</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> tpa, yes but not
so vision-focused</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... wanted to
check if the proposal was coherent with the scope of the XG</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... hope to get
some feedback</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, there are
problems with getting feedback from others on the list as
well</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009Feb/0082.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009Feb/0082.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> are you venezia
claudio ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> This is Claudio's
proposal I think</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I will make a wiki
page for context, separate it from privacy</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> so that is a
different mailing list</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> give me a
second...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> what's the scripting
voodoo</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> Optional
Face-to-Face Meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think we need
separate mailing lists</p>
<h3 id="item03">Optional Face-to-Face Meeting</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 3 Optional
Face-to-Face Meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> claudio's email was
sent to : public-social-web-talk@w3.org</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> so that the focus of
a group is clear</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> danbri - <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot">http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> and there is
specific (focused) discussions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> * Note that W3C TPAC
2009 (Nov 2-6th) and the Internet Identity Workshop are both
meeting November (2-5th) this year in Silicon Valley,
California.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> * Should we have our
face-to-face there? If so, at which event? How to encourage
overlap?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Basically, TPAC is
Nov 2-6th in Santa Clara.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> which as far as I
can tell is not this group's mailing list</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Internet Identity
Workshop is 2-5th in Silicon Valley</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ah, ok can someone
sensd a pointer</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Basically 10
minutes away</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Do people want to
have an option face-to-face?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> And do it either at
TPAC or INternet Identity Workshop?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> In Nov 2009?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We need to book
space now-ish.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> moving on</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> if we wish to do
so.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> Invited Guests</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> vcard telecon</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OK, so no interest
in TPAC or Internet Identity Workshop?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Dan, I don't believe
we have finished discussion topics!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> "# VCard Invited
Guest Telecon went well, with Tim Berners-Lee (W3C), Norm Walsh
(Mark Logic), and Peter Mika (Yahoo!) showing up."</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> has anyone responded
to the question of a face-to-face meeting?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I have something to
say on that topic...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Chair person: can I
come back to the topic of Face to face meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons_</cite>> I have to check out
the Internet Identity Workshop first...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +q</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> DanBri - let's
finish up face-to-face discussion.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> who is speaking?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> go for it
christine.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ah</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i think my phone
muted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> for dunno how
long</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> danbri, probably, we
couldn't hear anything</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> might explain why i
felt i was shouting into a cave</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ahhhhhh</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> f*!*!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> danbri: glad to have
you back :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I would suggest we
meet at internet identity workshop - there's a lot of people
there.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> ah! zakim thinks I'm
Kingsley :-/</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> Kingsley_Idehen is
really MacTed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://iiw.idcommons.net/Index.php/Main_Page">http://iiw.idcommons.net/Index.php/Main_Page</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> cperey: I second
that</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I volunteer to
organize the workshop</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> I volunteer too</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> in the same fashion
as in Barceona</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> danbri: lots of
people on the group don't have easy access to resources for
traveling</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, for all those
reasons</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> perhaps chrstine
and tim can help communicate to set-up a workshop at internet
identity workshop?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... but would
be great as lots of people doing social networking in the
westcost</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... wht about a
new W3C workshop ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We can put eveyrone
in touch.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I accept action
item</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> if you can
articulate it</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to draft e-mail about a
follow-up workshop [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> done</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> There's a
Social Data on the Web workshop at ISWC in november in
Washington</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The Internet
Identity Workshop is non-W3C, but includes lots of OpenID,
OpenSocial, most of non-W3C Social Web people will be
there.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Not sure about its
mobile staff.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> cperey: people
can participate in the community in the XG</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Here is Internet
Identity Workshop list:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://iiw8.eventbrite.com/">http://iiw8.eventbrite.com/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Of attendees.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Note almost no W3C
people :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> However, also note
450 dollar registration charge :(</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... some people
used to academic system (organizing workshops, participating,
etc)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> W3C TPAC is 50
bucks!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... not in the
commercial cultuer</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> hhalpin: reserved for
W3C members though</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... people in
the commercial culture want to go to a meeting where the meet
partners, etc.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... people
advancing their business</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> “ Participation in the
Technical Plenary is open to participants in good standing in a
W3C Working or Interest Group, Advisory Committee
Representatives, the TAG, the Advisory Board, Offices staff or
Team. ”</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> how much is the
identity workshop? does anyone know?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> you're
welcome</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Alex - 450 bucks
later.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 450 bucks last
year.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> danbri, "drinking
cool aid"@en-US = "toeing the party line"@en-GB .</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> phew</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> thanks harry</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> any people
attending semtech ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The internet
identity workshop has Google, Microsoft, Facebook, looks like a
good crowd.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Problem is that W3C
wants an answer on TPAC asap.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> take what to mailing
list?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> They have to book
rooms.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ( <a href=
"http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drink+the+kool-aid">
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drink+the+kool-aid</a>
)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I'm sorry didn't
understand what Harry said</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Ah, OK.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> Invited Guests</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I was</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> vcard?</p>
<h3 id="item04">Invited Guests</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> anyone here who was
on that call...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> anyone wants to
TALK.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> was (mostly
listening)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I can give a quick
summary in IRC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> hhalpin:
summary of the vcard / foaf</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... meeting in
ESWC with martin hepp and renato</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... looking
into OWL-DL</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> .... one single
vcard in RDF</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... renato
liaison with the vcard community</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... very
technical and productive</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... invited
guests are very useful conferences</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> Actions from the
vCard/RDF meet < <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0000.html%3E">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0000.html></a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> googlewave, is
awesome, XMPP > email</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> that sounds great
hhalpin</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> daniela or chris
would be great.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Could we suggest
the 10th?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Or 17th?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> danbri: F2F
dataportability meeting in semtech</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (goo is in top 100
social network list)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... contacted
japanese company goo regarding localisation issues</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (sorry, social
networks in top 100 sites on Web as a *whole*)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> How about we create
a doodle for their times?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Who wants that
action?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> :)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hajons?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> karl?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Sandy Pentland
Terry Eagle?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I thought it was
Hakon from Sony-Ericcson, NOT Karl.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons_</cite>> yes that is me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons_</cite>> I can contact
them</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> also, I made
suggestions for mobile social networking community operators we
could invite</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> as invited
guests</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hajons ask Terry Eagle and Sandy
Pentland for guest telecon [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hajons_ ask Terry Eagle and Sandy
Pentland for guest telecon [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> cperey: will
update status action with mobile companies - invite people that
already have some exposure to the XG</p><a name="action07" id=
"action07"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hakon ask Terry Eagle and Sandy
Pentland for guest telecon [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... compagnies
involved in the workshop - should be easy to access</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons_</cite>> hajons_ = Håkan
Jonsson</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and DanBri and hhalpin to
schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0013.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0013.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> you can view source
of any email, and it will link to where it is archived</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> hhalpin:
e-mails to the list automatically archieved w/ URI, etc</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> shall we celebrate
this by closing the action?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACTION
<strong>[CLOSED]</strong>: cperey to add mobile companies to to
Invited Guests and to brainstorm what exact questions or topics
would be most interesting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> cperey to add
mobile companies to to Invited Guests and to brainstorm what
exact questions or topics would be most interesting [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hmmm...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACTION
<strong>[DONE]</strong>: cperey to add mobile companies to to
Invited Guests and to brainstorm what exact questions or topics
would be most interesting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> OMB++</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Evan P</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I don't really
know him especially well.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> Evan is in montreal. I
can meet him</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> or contact him</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Know Sarven
Capadisili better, also from Control Yourself.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> good
idea</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to contact Evan over
OpenMicroblogging and W3C [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We're close to end
of time but I'd be happy to go over 15 minutes to finish
agenda...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> two minutes left
guys</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> I was running from
the agenda, "Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-06-03T13:00-15:00Z
(See your local time) " in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> hhalpin: 2
items: user stories + uses cases</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> which looked like
2h</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> it does look like
2h</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Formally
adjourn</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I'm signing off</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> But lets keep
talking if people interested.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> can we keep the matrix
for next week?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> I'd be interested in
that but can't stay on</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> cool, thanks
hhalpin</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> yep matrix next
week</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> bye guys</p>
<h3 id="item05">Creating User Stories on the Wiki</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 5. Creating User
Stories on the Wiki</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
tp://www.la-grange.net/2009/02/16/data-independence</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.la-grange.net/2009/02/16/data-independence">http://www.la-grange.net/2009/02/16/data-independence</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> karl: tries to
stay focused with concrete use cases</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I was thinking in
particular at some point we try to transform the user-stories
into a use-case document, and get some "best practices" out of
it.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... willing to
change the document to comply to the W3C framework</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> If we had 10 best
practices and then could run them against the social network
matrix, that would be cool.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Feedback for
users?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Service
providers?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> So, is it for
both?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> danbri: best
practices documents wrt names, gender, etc</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> hhalpin:
use-cases on how data is managed / should be on the web</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... should be
quite useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... not a
normal use-cases document but might be more useful for
people</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... empirical
study</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> karl, i think i
showed <a href=
"http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-Flickr-Backup-2.6/">http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-Flickr-Backup-2.6/</a>
to you already...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 putting document
for wiki</p><a name="action11" id="action11"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to put the document on data
independence <a href=
"http://bit.ly/freedata">http://bit.ly/freedata</a> on the SWXG
wiki [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... different
points of view (user, business people, developer, etc)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> ... explain
what we man by portability, context, privacy, etc</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
"http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-1qCkw2Ehaak.hdNZkEAzDrpa4Q--?cq=1&p=67265">
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-1qCkw2Ehaak.hdNZkEAzDrpa4Q--?cq=1&p=67265</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons_</cite>> i'm on the phone
too</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons_</cite>> zakim didn't see
me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (hmm "Your 360 Blog
is being exported to your new profile and this may take a few
minutes. You will receive an email when it is ready." ...some
stuff can be moved)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> does that make
sense?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> update the matrix
every "x" months</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OK, take care
everyone!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> bye, have fun at
ESWC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>milstan</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> harry - just a slow
network on Crete!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> ....real
slow....</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to find a
good final report template and port it to the wiki [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to draft
e-mail about a follow-up workshop [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri follow up
re whether to use survey tool at w3c or elsewhere [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hajons_ ask Terry
Eagle and Sandy Pentland for guest telecon [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make
scribelist [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to contact
Evan over OpenMicroblogging and W3C [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to put the
document on data independence <a href=
"http://bit.ly/freedata">http://bit.ly/freedata</a> on the SWXG
wiki [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and DanBri
and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to add
mobile companies to to Invited Guests and to brainstorm what
exact questions or topics would be most interesting [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
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