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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>12 Jan 2011</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0004.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Raphael, Thomas, Davy, Yves, Silvia, Philip</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Erik</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>raphael</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2. MEDIA FRAGMENT
SPECIFICATION</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">3. HTML5 BUG:</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">4. RTSP processing</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">5. Use Cases</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">6. Test Cases</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">7. AOB</a></li>
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</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 12 January
2011</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> management team discussing
this afternoon about charter renewing<br />
... I think it makes sense to have another LC step, but very
short, 2 weeks<br />
... given the substantial changes made<br />
... and so we give time to get more comments</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> will this enable to have
the RTSP part in the document?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the problem will be to get
implementations</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we have a server side
implementation of RTSP</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I think that separate note
for RTSP would be better</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> poll is controversial on
this aspect<br />
... results are: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Propose to accept the minutes of the last week
telecon:</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tomayac</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>minutes accepted</p>
<h3 id="item02">2. MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-199?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-199 --
Raphaël Troncy to add a clarification text regarding the
purpose of the grammar -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-199</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-199 Add a
clarification text regarding the purpose of the grammar
closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-200?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-200 --
Raphaël Troncy to send a proposal to close ISSUE-19 that
consists in: clarification text + normative parsing algorithm
-- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-200</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-200 Send a
proposal to close ISSUE-19 that consists in: clarification text
+ normative parsing algorithm closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ISSUE-19?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-19 --
Parsing must be defined normatively in the MF spec itself --
open</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/19">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/19</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we cannot close this
issue yet<br />
... Philip sent patches that I have to review<br />
... and include them in the document</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-196?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-196 --
Raphaël Troncy to address comments from the Media Annotations
WG and draft a reply -- due 2010-11-09 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/196">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/196</a></p>
<h3 id="item03">3. HTML5 BUG:</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-205?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-205 --
Silvia Pfeiffer to send the MF clarification text to the HTML
mailinglist -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-205</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-205 Send
the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-206?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-206 --
Raphaël Troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker --
due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/206">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/206</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-206</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-206 Reopen
the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Ian has closed the bug
again<br />
... he complains because we have 2 issues in one bug<br />
... first issue, he replied</p>
<p class='phone'>"For comment 10 issue 1: the spec already says
as much as it needs to say on the</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>subject:</cite> "If either the media
resource or the address of the current media</p>
<p class='phone'>resource indicate a particular start time,
then set the initial playback</p>
<p class='phone'>position to that time and then seek seek to
that time." (in the resource fetch</p>
<p class='phone'>algorithm)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> second issue, he
replied</p>
<p class='phone'>"For comment 10 issue 2: that's a browser UI
issue and out of scope of specs</p>
<p class='phone'>such as HTML.</p>
<p class='phone'>See also <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723">http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I agree with Ian for
comment on issue 1<br />
... I suggest to defer to Silvia for comment on issue 2</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thomas:</cite> I think Ian is correct
for issue 2</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Silvia indicates we
should open more bugs and would like to discuss them<br />
... I suggest that Silvia mails the group which bugs she would
like we open</p>
<h3 id="item04">4. RTSP processing</h3>
<p class='phone'>ISSUE-18?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-18 -- RTSP
processing of Media Fragments URI -- open</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-207?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-207 --
Raphaël Troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP
will be discussed in a separate note -- due 2010-12-15 --
OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/207">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/207</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-207</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-207 Setup a
poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a
separate note closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Results of the poll: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> 4 are for a separate note
and 3 for inclusion in the main spec</p>
<p class='phone'>Yves, Thomas and Erik haven't replied yet</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I abstain</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thomas:</cite> I don't have an opinion
on this (lack of knowledge of RTSP), so I abstain as well</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> from the comments, the
main fear is to delay the process ... but it seems we will have
another LC anyway<br />
... so I will rephrase the question: who is really *against*
having this part in the main spec?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> my main concern is the
delay to get the implementations of this part<br />
... but this is not a main concern</p><a name="action01" id=
"action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to add the RTSP processing
section as an appending to the main document [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-210
- Add the RTSP processing section as an appending to the main
document [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-01-19].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> content to add is at
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_RTSP_Communication">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_RTSP_Communication</a><br />
... I will ask ALL to commit to a date where we are all here
for inviting Addison to a telecon</p>
<h3 id="item05">5. Use Cases</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> NEC is a new member in
the group<br />
... one representant suggest a new use case, see <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0005.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0005.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> good use case but no more
requirements that what we have</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> perhaps he wants to have 2
regions in one URI ?<br />
... perhaps he wants moving regions too</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> perhaps we could adapt
our text in the UC document with this new input</p>
<h3 id="item06">6. Test Cases</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTIOn-209?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-209 -- Davy
Van Deursen to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version --
due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/209">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/209</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I'm working on it, hope to
finish it by next week<br />
... I'm also working on an HTML visualization so we don't have
to look at the RDF</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tomayac</cite>> (did everybody
leave the call?)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we will need an entire
telecon about test cases to re-review them later on<br />
... include-setup has been added in the meantime</p>
<h3 id="item07">7. AOB</h3>
<p class='phone'>[silence]</p>
<p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tomayac</cite>> same here</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to add the
RTSP processing section as an appending to the main document
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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