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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>24 Feb 2010</h2>

  <p><a href=
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  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

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    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>yves, michael, davy, erik, silvia</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>raphael</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>erik</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>erik, davy</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">Admin</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">3. SPECIFICATION:</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">4. TEST CASES</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">3.1 Media Fragment URI
        syntax</a></li>
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    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 24 February
    2010</p>

    <h3 id="item01">Admin</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; scribenick: erik</p>

    <p class='phone'>Accept the minutes at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; scribenick: davy</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> charter extension:
    everything fine, but milestones need to be adjusted</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> raphael to adjust the milestones in
    the charter [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ah, thanks :-)</p>

    <h3 id="item02">3. SPECIFICATION:</h3><a name="action02" id=
    "action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to adjust the milestones in the
    charter [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-145
    - Adjust the milestones in the charter [on Raphaël Troncy - due
    2010-03-03].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... actually on the
    group front page since we cannot change the charter, but the
    charter refers to the group home page for the changes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; action-143?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-143 --
    Silvia Pfeiffer to move 5.1.5 into a new section -- due
    2010-02-24 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/143">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/143</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; action-144?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-144 --
    Silvia Pfeiffer to move the section 5.1.1 to the top -- due
    2010-02-24 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/144">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/144</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; not done yet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; neither that one</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I promised it for
    F2F</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; ok, actions still
    going on</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> status about changes in the
    header syntax?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> made modifications in the
    wiki regarding philip's remarks<br />
    ... only do it in the spec if we switch back to ABNF</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I'm fine with either ABNF
    or EBNF</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> I have tools for ABNF
    only</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> no reason why we switched
    to EBNF, I don't see an advantage to use EBNF</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I don't mind either
    - if you prefer to switch back to ABNF, go for it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I think Philip found
    it easier to write, but that doesn't have to influence everyone
    else</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> if Yves prefers ABNF, then
    I also prefer ABNF</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> will continue in ABNF<br />
    ... also create a section where all the ABNF is located
    together<br />
    ... having a single view of the grammar</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> propose to use ABNF to
    represent the grammar</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; PROPOSAL:
    dtddadada??? Ok, +1 :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; I know...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>PROPOSAL:</cite> use ABNF to represent
    the grammar, because of the existence of tools</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: ABNF
    will be used to represent the grammar</strong></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> a-126 is still
    ongoing<br />
    ... should be able to do it today</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; while you're at it,
    can you look at writing ABNF for the HTTP headers, too?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; yep</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; that's the plan</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> a-135 is still ongoing</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> a-137 is also ongoing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; see note in 5.2.2
    and 5.2.3</p>

    <p class='phone'>issue-5?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-5 --
    Handling spatial cropping requires information at client-side
    -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/5">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/5</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> we must asap reach LC<br />
    ... if this is only with the temporal dimension, so be it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; silvia, can you
    re-raise in AOB?</p>

    <h3 id="item03">4. TEST CASES</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; ACTION-118?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-118 --
    Michael Hausenblas to come up with individual 'normal' test
    cases (+/- 20) -- due 2009-10-07 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/118">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/118</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; I second silvia
    question, re: quotes in the syntax</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Silvia, please,
    write your comments not in /me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; re: ABNF - are we
    dropping the quotes on the fragment values?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; just FYI - the "s"
    in npt dimension has already been dropped in spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; silvia, we first
    continue with 4, then get to 3.5</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> a-118 continues untill
    next week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; ACTION-108?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-108 --
    Michael Hausenblas to add the missing test cases in corrib --
    due 2009-11-16 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/108">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/108</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; close
    ACTION-108</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-108 Add the
    missing test cases in corrib closed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/">http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Feb/0019.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Feb/0019.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> we can review them one
    by one</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; indeed - I was going
    to ask if people had had the time to check out those test cases
    for the time dimension</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> are the test cases already
    in a state that we can see that all the boundary cases can be
    seen</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; can we focus on time
    dimension for now and check there that we have all the boundary
    cases?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; michael: focus is on
    temporal dimension only</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> not totally sure, there
    might be at least a couple of test cases that are not yet
    covered</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I will look at it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; in my list I
    abstracted away from concrete values into t=a,b</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; then I looked at the
    values that a and b can take compared to each other and
    compared to start, end of file</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; in this way, I tried
    capturing all the possibilities</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; these are all no
    errors:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; * Non-errors:
    b&gt;=a</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a,b -&gt; 200: set
    playback to a-b</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a, -&gt; 200: set
    playback to a-end</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=,b -&gt; 200: set
    playback to start-b</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a,b with a=b -&gt;
    200: set playback to a</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a,b with
    a&lt;start -&gt; 200: set playback to start-b</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a,b with a&gt;end
    -&gt; 200: set playback to end</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a,b with b&gt;end
    -&gt; 200: set playback to a-end</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; t=a,b with
    b&lt;start -&gt; 200: set playback to start</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> in the F2F, we should
    make a final decision regarding the test cases of temporal
    fragments</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I missed b &gt; end</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; Michael: will
    add t=a,b with b&gt;end and t=a,b with b&lt;start</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> also miss b&lt;a</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; silvia, both</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; it's in the list
    above</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; we're looking
    at corrib ATM, but jackjansen referred to in general</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; b&gt;end is, the
    other is in an error list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; * non-existent</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; example: t=b,a with
    b&gt;a (e.g. t=20,10)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; -&gt; 200: ignore
    fragment</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> it's easy to add/edit
    test cases in corrib<br />
    ... everyone can do it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; and I also have this
    one that we haven't had before:</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; * Validity errors:
    value cannot be parsed for dimension</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; example: t=asdf</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; -&gt; 200: ignore
    fragment (retrieve full resource, but with this adapted
    URL)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; note: browsers
    already do this</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; further, I think we
    need to change TC0002</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; * TC0002: empty time
    segment - npt (see also above)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; examples: t=0,0 ;
    t=3,3</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; -&gt; 200: retrieve
    whatever the browser needs to set up playback and</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; set the playback
    position to the offset</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; NOTE: this is
    different to what we currently have at</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; silivia, you're
    aware of that you can edit TC in corrib yourself?</p><a name=
    "action03" id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jack to identify and add in corrib any
    missing test cases for temporal fragments [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-146
    - Identify and add in corrib any missing test cases for
    temporal fragments [on Jack Jansen - due 2010-03-03].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I thought we are
    discussing here whether we agree on those test cases and their
    results</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; the reason for my
    questions / list was that I wanted these in the spec as well as
    in corrib, so developers can refer to it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; silvia, I'll
    change the ownership re TC10-17 to you soon</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; michael: 'contributor'
    = 'one who raised the TC'</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; hmm, according to
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases</a>
    they are multi dimensional - wasn't really focused on that
    yet</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to add all MF WG members to
    corrib [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-147
    - Add all MF WG members to corrib [on Michael Hausenblas - due
    2010-03-03].</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to add a copy TC
    functionality [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-148
    - Add a copy TC functionality [on Michael Hausenblas - due
    2010-03-03].</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to come up with a fix for
    overview vs. edit single TC [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-149
    - Come up with a fix for overview vs. edit single TC [on
    Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-03-03].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> if we change the syntax,
    then someone needs to be responsible to modify the related test
    cases</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; Michael: there
    is also an issue tracker for corrib in case you find a bug or
    want to request a feature</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; ... <a href=
    "http://bitbucket.org/mhausenblas/corrib/issues/?status=new&amp;status=open">
    http://bitbucket.org/mhausenblas/corrib/issues/?status=new&amp;status=open</a></p>

    <h3 id="item04">3.1 Media Fragment URI syntax</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> do we keep the quotes
    around track names and ids?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; p</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; also see: <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ublic-media-fragment/2010Feb/0071.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ublic-media-fragment/2010Feb/0071.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> percent escapes of ? and
    &amp; seems to work in the browser<br />
    ... which indicates that we do need quotes (on condition that
    we have percent escaping)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; ... reinvestigation is
    still needed!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; which philip
    introduced into the spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; oh!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; jack: syntax of ? and
    # should be the same</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> we should first investigate
    how percent encoding works</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; jack: what about
    client vs serverside ... should be the same at both sides</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.1">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.1</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; and <a href=
    "http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.4">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.4</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> before doing
    percent-encoding, the url is split up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; If I compare
    section 2.1 to what I posted to the mailing list then it seems
    the behaviousr I saw is wrong.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; yves: URI-syntax is
    not clear on what should be returned on client or server ....
    therefore no ambiguity if we use quotes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; 2.4 states that
    even more clearly</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; according to
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding</a>,
    last section, only the names and values of a CGI query are
    encoded</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> quotes remove ambiguity</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> so youtube is not compliant
    to RFC3986?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; This works:
    <a href=
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=FwJduPtCvSM%26feature=rec-r2-2r-1-HM">
    http://www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=FwJduPtCvSM%26feature=rec-r2-2r-1-HM</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; and it
    shouldn't</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; my friend re
    URIs is <a href=
    "http://www.websitedev.de/temp/rfc3986-check.html.gz">http://www.websitedev.de/temp/rfc3986-check.html.gz</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; So, it seems
    that rfc3986 isn't followed by at least one major site</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; lets you check
    stuff quite nicely</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I think the "Under
    normal circumstances" part is important</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; ref?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I think in essence
    rfc3986 lets every server do what it wants</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; got it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; link above -
    <a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.4">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.4</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; but it suggests
    parsing before percent encoding</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; to make it easier
    for the server to determine the components</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; doesn't stop a
    server from trying to interpret a url that has more than just
    the components url encoded</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I think we can
    safely prescribe url encoding the way Philip has currently done
    it and it follows section 2.4</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; I am not sure I
    agree. I am not convinced that we can remove the quotes for
    queries.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; that is a different
    matter altoghether, I think</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; what problem do the
    quotes solve?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; escaping
    ampersands</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; eric??</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I seem to remember
    having had a problem where the quotes introduced more confusion
    than helped, but cannot now find it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; anyway, I guess
    we're out of time :)</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to summarize the discussion on
    the quotes in a mail or on the wiki [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-150
    - Summarize the discussion on the quotes in a mail or on the
    wiki [on Erik Mannens - due 2010-03-03].</p>

    <p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; bye!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; thanks everyone!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; btw: we're only
    talking about quotes for track and id dimensions, right?</p>

    <p class='phone'>yup</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; davy: is your
    implementation using quotes?</p>

    <p class='phone'>yes</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to summarize
  the discussion on the quotes in a mail or on the wiki [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jack to identify
  and add in corrib any missing test cases for temporal fragments
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to add a
  copy TC functionality [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to add
  all MF WG members to corrib [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to come
  up with a fix for overview vs. edit single TC [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> raphael to adjust
  the milestones in the charter [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to adjust
  the milestones in the charter [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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