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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Media Annotations WG</h1>
<h2>01 Mar 2011</h2>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
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<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>joakim, mari-carmen, thierry, werner, pierre-antoine</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>felix, jean-pierre, florian</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>joakim</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>wbailer</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">action items</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">lc2 for ontology document</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">revision of api doc</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">metadata files for rdf test suite</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">next f2f</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class="phone"></p>
<p class="phone"></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> can you hear me ?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> no</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> yes I am calling with SIP</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> Can you hear us?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> seems you can't hear me.</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Yes we should discuss the the F2F
in Sophia.</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I will reconnect ...</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> yes I hear you 100%</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> seems the mic does not work ...</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> let me try to fix it</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> please proceed ...</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: wbailer</p>
<p class="phone">next meeting: mar 8</p>
<h3 id="item01">action items</h3>
<p class="phone">close actio-302</p>
<p class="phone">close action-302</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-302 Check out the
consistency in the property names in the Ontology document's table closed</p>
<p class="phone">this is done by changes after F2F</p>
<p class="phone">actions 2404 and 2418 refer to ontology doc</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> no objections</p>
<p class="phone">close action-334</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-334 Check if comment 2404
is in the document closed</p>
<p class="phone">close action-343</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-343 Check if comment 2418
is in the document closed</p>
<p class="phone">360 is pending</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> we wait for you to come back!</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Is there anyone else using SIP
today ?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> we can hear you, but there is a
buzz</p>
<p class="phone">status on 365: made changes to api doc to add references to
html5 element</p>
<p class="phone">close action-365</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-365 Respond to the email in
the archive 2419, from Paul Cotton closed</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
<p class="phone">leave 402 and 403 open</p>
<p class="phone">on 403: add a more general statement that URI is to be
returned whenever possible</p>
<h3 id="item02">lc2 for ontology document</h3>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Move to 2nd Last Call the Ontology
draft ? No objections ?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Resolution is to publish the
Ontology for Media Resources 1.0 as a 2nd Last Call. </p>
<h3 id="item03">revision of api doc</h3>
<p class="phone">status see <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0001.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0001.html</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> the plan is to have a draft ready
before next telecon</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> There are three (new) issues that
has to solved</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> This will be discussed next
meeting!</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> schema could be an external file
for validation ...</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>pchampin:</cite> put json schema in annex, in different
format as examples to make clear</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> developers often prefer examples</p>
<h3 id="item04">metadata files for rdf test suite</h3>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> felix email</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Feb/0092.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Feb/0092.html</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> <a
href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Feb/0090.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Feb/0090.html</a></p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> To answer the question from Felix,
is it mandatory to have all mappings?</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> Werner: my strategy is to have as
many as possible</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> mine too</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> l if you have an image you probably
can not use video properties ...</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>pchampin:</cite> goal for ID3 was to have all properties
as possible, might be more difficult for other formats</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> maybe we should aim at having for
each format a small set of example covering the whole mapping table</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>thierry:</cite> was not sure what to answer, we should
try to use as many properties as possible<br />
... not all properties might be useful together in one file<br />
... having a file with only 2-3 properties would not be right</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>pchampin:</cite> files should cover the whole mapping
table, trying to achieve this with as few files as possible<br />
... otherwise mappings cannot be fully tested</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> should use a set of files to covert
all the properties for each format</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> not possible to have all properties in
one file, if properties are mutually exclusive for different media types</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> PA: most important is to have as
realisitc exampples as possible</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> several files are necessary to cover
mapping table</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> I was kicked out, coming
back...</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>thierry:</cite> there are formats like dublin core that
lack several properties<br />
... files should cover all properties, for which the corresponding mapping
table defines a mapping</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I agree with PA. files should cover
the mapping table properties that are appropriate</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I will answer Felix</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> thierry to answer felix's question</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>thierry:</cite> table in wiki</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a
href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review</a></p>
<p class="phone"><cite>thierry:</cite> needs to be more complex to cover
several files for a format<br />
... have several lines per format<br />
... will ask silvia for example file again<br />
... apple will provide files, maybe they need help with rdf</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>pchampin:</cite> question regarding similar/related
properties<br />
... as examples are going to be used in test cases<br />
... people would expect their implementations to produce the same RDF<br />
... but nothing is specified for related properties or values of subtypes<br />
... subtypes are on purpose unspecified<br />
... so other implementations might not exactly comply with these examples when
implementations make other choices<br />
... makes automatic comparison against example files impossible</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> well, not impossible, but
tricky</p>
<p class="phone">use the same set of examples image, video) for all formats</p>
<p class="phone"><cite>thierry:</cite> use a few resources and then convert to
different formats</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>jsderber</cite>> yes</p>
<h3 id="item05">next f2f</h3>
<p class="phone"><cite>proposed:</cite> june 28-29, sophia, france</p>
<p class="phone">[adjourned]</p>
<p class="irc"><<cite>mcsuarez</cite>> bye</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></h2>
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