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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>12 Jan 2011</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0004.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
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      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Raphael, Thomas, Davy, Yves, Silvia, Philip</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Erik</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>raphael</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. MEDIA FRAGMENT
        SPECIFICATION</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. HTML5 BUG:</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. RTSP processing</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">5. Use Cases</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">6. Test Cases</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item07">7. AOB</a></li>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 12 January
    2011</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> management team discussing
    this afternoon about charter renewing<br />
    ... I think it makes sense to have another LC step, but very
    short, 2 weeks<br />
    ... given the substantial changes made<br />
    ... and so we give time to get more comments</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> will this enable to have
    the RTSP part in the document?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the problem will be to get
    implementations</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we have a server side
    implementation of RTSP</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I think that separate note
    for RTSP would be better</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> poll is controversial on
    this aspect<br />
    ... results are: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Propose to accept the minutes of the last week
    telecon:</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>minutes accepted</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-199?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-199 --
    Raphaël Troncy to add a clarification text regarding the
    purpose of the grammar -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-199</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-199 Add a
    clarification text regarding the purpose of the grammar
    closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-200?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-200 --
    Raphaël Troncy to send a proposal to close ISSUE-19 that
    consists in: clarification text + normative parsing algorithm
    -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-200</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-200 Send a
    proposal to close ISSUE-19 that consists in: clarification text
    + normative parsing algorithm closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-19?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-19 --
    Parsing must be defined normatively in the MF spec itself --
    open</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/19">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/19</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we cannot close this
    issue yet<br />
    ... Philip sent patches that I have to review<br />
    ... and include them in the document</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-196?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-196 --
    Raphaël Troncy to address comments from the Media Annotations
    WG and draft a reply -- due 2010-11-09 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/196">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/196</a></p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. HTML5 BUG:</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-205?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-205 --
    Silvia Pfeiffer to send the MF clarification text to the HTML
    mailinglist -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-205</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-205 Send
    the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-206?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-206 --
    Raphaël Troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker --
    due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/206">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/206</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-206</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-206 Reopen
    the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker closed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Ian has closed the bug
    again<br />
    ... he complains because we have 2 issues in one bug<br />
    ... first issue, he replied</p>

    <p class='phone'>"For comment 10 issue 1: the spec already says
    as much as it needs to say on the</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>subject:</cite> "If either the media
    resource or the address of the current media</p>

    <p class='phone'>resource indicate a particular start time,
    then set the initial playback</p>

    <p class='phone'>position to that time and then seek seek to
    that time." (in the resource fetch</p>

    <p class='phone'>algorithm)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> second issue, he
    replied</p>

    <p class='phone'>"For comment 10 issue 2: that's a browser UI
    issue and out of scope of specs</p>

    <p class='phone'>such as HTML.</p>

    <p class='phone'>See also <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723">http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I agree with Ian for
    comment on issue 1<br />
    ... I suggest to defer to Silvia for comment on issue 2</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thomas:</cite> I think Ian is correct
    for issue 2</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Silvia indicates we
    should open more bugs and would like to discuss them<br />
    ... I suggest that Silvia mails the group which bugs she would
    like we open</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. RTSP processing</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-18?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-18 -- RTSP
    processing of Media Fragments URI -- open</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-207?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-207 --
    Raphaël Troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP
    will be discussed in a separate note -- due 2010-12-15 --
    OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/207">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/207</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-207</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-207 Setup a
    poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a
    separate note closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Results of the poll: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> 4 are for a separate note
    and 3 for inclusion in the main spec</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves, Thomas and Erik haven't replied yet</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I abstain</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thomas:</cite> I don't have an opinion
    on this (lack of knowledge of RTSP), so I abstain as well</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> from the comments, the
    main fear is to delay the process ... but it seems we will have
    another LC anyway<br />
    ... so I will rephrase the question: who is really *against*
    having this part in the main spec?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> my main concern is the
    delay to get the implementations of this part<br />
    ... but this is not a main concern</p><a name="action01" id=
    "action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to add the RTSP processing
    section as an appending to the main document [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-210
    - Add the RTSP processing section as an appending to the main
    document [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-01-19].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> content to add is at
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_RTSP_Communication">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_RTSP_Communication</a><br />

    ... I will ask ALL to commit to a date where we are all here
    for inviting Addison to a telecon</p>

    <h3 id="item05">5. Use Cases</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> NEC is a new member in
    the group<br />
    ... one representant suggest a new use case, see <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0005.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0005.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> good use case but no more
    requirements that what we have</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> perhaps he wants to have 2
    regions in one URI ?<br />
    ... perhaps he wants moving regions too</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> perhaps we could adapt
    our text in the UC document with this new input</p>

    <h3 id="item06">6. Test Cases</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTIOn-209?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-209 -- Davy
    Van Deursen to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version --
    due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/209">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/209</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I'm working on it, hope to
    finish it by next week<br />
    ... I'm also working on an HTML visualization so we don't have
    to look at the RDF</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; (did everybody
    leave the call?)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we will need an entire
    telecon about test cases to re-review them later on<br />
    ... include-setup has been added in the meantime</p>

    <h3 id="item07">7. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'>[silence]</p>

    <p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; same here</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to add the
  RTSP processing section as an appending to the main document
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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