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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>MAWG</h1>

  <h2>17 Feb 2009</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>chris, daniel, fsasaki, joakim, michel, tmichel, tobias,
      victor, wbailer, wonsuk</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Joakim</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Tobias</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">Discussion about comments from Dan
        Connolly</a></li>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; scribe: Tobias</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>victor</cite>&gt; Hello</p>

    <p class='phone'>Next meeting: Tuesday, 24.02. 13:00-14:00
    UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; I can't make a call
    due to unknown problem in my office. I moved to a new office
    here yesterday but I don't know what problem happens...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Joakim, I will be
    only on the IRC...</p>

    <p class='phone'>Scribe for next tuesday: Veronique</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0078.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0078.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/SetOnMetamodel">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/SetOnMetamodel</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Werner on ACTION-47: did not yet succeed a
    really good example...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> but discovered good work
    on metadata crosswalks</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> will send pointers on
    metadata crosswalks<br />
    ... some work on crosswalks done by PB Core (how to discover
    mappings) and from OCL (Crosswalk Service)<br />
    ... both also discuss datatype mismatches and mapping problems,
    and also structural mapping problems</p><a name="action01" id=
    "action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim and Werner will look into the
    Google Dataset API [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-87
    - And Werner will look into the Google Dataset API [on Joakim
    Söderberg - due 2009-02-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-47 --- continued</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-54 --- continued</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-80 --continues</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-82 -- continues</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/83">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/83</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; my connexion is
    slow</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; not good for
    voice</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; could you remind
    me the title of A83?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; no progress</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>title:</cite> review id-3</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; sorry</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> suggests to close the
    action and to re-assign once we decided how to go on with the
    mappings.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>close:</cite> ACTION-83</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/84">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/84</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-84 ---continues</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> will send the input on
    ACTION-84 today.</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-85 --- continues</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> will be pending for two
    weeks</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> this might collide with
    the deadline for the documents.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chris_ibbt</cite>&gt; same here</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> We got a lot of comments
    about the use cases; the most important things of the
    deliverable are however the requirements for which we did not
    get many comments.<br />
    ... We can be fast in moving the requirements document
    forwards.</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-85 -- continues</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>close:</cite> ACTION-86</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0060.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0060.html</a></p>

    <h3 id="item01">Discussion about comments from Dan
    Connolly</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> dan Connolly pointed out
    that we should be more careful about the terminology.<br />
    ... ... agrees with Dan's proposal<br />
    ... Does the working group agree with Dan's proposal?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I could send a
    proposal to the mailing list about rephrasing the
    terminology</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; and the group
    could discuss if it is clearer :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I agree that the
    terminology should be further defined in the document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> does the working group
    oppose with the comments from Dan?</p>

    <p class='phone'>The working group agreed with the comment from
    Dan and there is no objection against the comment. Proposal is
    accepted.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Dan's suggestion as
    *design principle* seems to me more broad than *requirements*
    and there are already lots of *requirements* draft within
    W3C</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://liris.cnrs.fr/~pchampin/wsgi/mawg/">http://liris.cnrs.fr/~pchampin/wsgi/mawg/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl">
    http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Joakim Topic: Toy applications</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> there has been also a
    proposal by Wonsuk to discuss toy application issues in the
    Wiki.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> Played with the toy
    applications...<br />
    ... ...common property: existing APIs are used for the reading
    steps...<br />
    ... ...a series of if-then-else statements are implemented for
    the mapping ("if its of property A map it to property
    B")...<br />
    ... ...it would be good to have clearer descriptions of the
    applications.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Questions to
    Pierre-Antoine: do you have to add something regarding your
    application?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> what do people think about
    the common parts of the toy applications?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.htm">
    http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.htm</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.xls">
    http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.xls</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> any comments about the
    mapping tables?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> there is an issue with
    the smpte and dms-1 mapping (he sent an email today)<br />
    ... It would make sense to have DMS-1 seperately.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Collaboration on the
    sheet would be helpful, i.e. people should take of "his/her"
    format</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I can review the
    VRA sheet. There are two mapings proposed between VRA an Dublin
    Core, shall I send these examples to the list too?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0038.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0038.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; There are two
    mapings proposed between VRA an Dublin Core in RDF, shall I
    send these examples to the list?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> Problems to see relations
    between table and API</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> W3C has mappings
    between VRA and Dublin Core (they are expressed in RDF)<br />
    ... Will send the mappings to the list.<br />
    ... there are not many relations between properties; e.g. the
    can be broader,narrower or equal (not much more)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> Complete list would be
    very helpful.<br />
    ... where does the information on the mapping come from, i.e.
    how it would work with the formalisation.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Feilx:</cite> Sent a mail to Raphael and
    he will probably come back to this.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> added the properties that
    Veronique proposed (exact, more general, more specific,
    related)<br />
    ... to the excel mapping table</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> The mapping table is
    important and should be a main part of the ontology...perhaps
    we should even consider publishing the table?<br />
    ... Would propose a mapping table that is feasible for
    publication. Would be good to get feedback.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> likes the idea because we
    might attract interest from others.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1 for felix</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Everyone should do the
    editing of "his" format in the table<br />
    ... once we have a more preliminary version then we can publish
    it</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> we should give ourselves
    deadlines on that.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1 for Joakim &amp;
    Felix</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> We should write a mail to
    the list that we plan to publish the table around the 17th of
    March (or as soon as possible)<br />
    ... and whether people agree.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Will write the
    mail.</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to To gather material for
    publishing a recommendation track working draft [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-88
    - Gather material for publishing a recommendation track working
    draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-02-24].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; What is the
    recommendation track working draft ? Ontology and API Docs
    ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> regrets for next week; he
    hopes to join the group as an "Invited Expert" soon<br />
    ... he already triggered the process.</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to To
  gather material for publishing a recommendation track working
  draft [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim and Werner
  will look into the Google Dataset API [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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