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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>22 Jul 2009</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0022.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Conrad, Yves, Michael, Raphael, Erik, Guillaume, Davy,
Silvia_(irc)</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Jack</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Erik</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>mhausenblas</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">UC & REQUIREMENTS</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">SPECIFICATION</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">TEST CASES</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">ISSUES</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">IMPLEMENTATION</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 22 July
2009</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Previous:</cite> 2009-07-15 <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribenick:
mhausenblas</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> Zakim ??P9 is me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> Zakim ??P9 is me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Chair: Erik</p>
<p class='phone'>-> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html</a>
previous 2009-07-15</p>
<h3 id="item01">ADMIN</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> review of last week not
sent out yet; postponed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-92</p>
<p class='phone'>show ACTION-92</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-92?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-92 -- Erik
Mannens to erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers
-- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> before we do more
dissemination we need to settle the current work</p>
<h3 id="item02">UC & REQUIREMENTS</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-65?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-65 --
Raphaël Troncy to split current document into i) UC and Req and
ii) Syntax and Processing and setup the diff in xmlspec -- due
2009-04-23 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/65">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/65</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-65</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-65 Split
current document into i) UC and Req and ii) Syntax and
Processing and setup the diff in xmlspec closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> done, you'll need an
XSLT-2 processor for it</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-68</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-68?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-68 --
Raphaël Troncy to ask the Media Annotations WG to review our
document -- due 2009-04-23 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/68">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/68</a></p>
<h3 id="item03">SPECIFICATION</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jul/0005.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jul/0005.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-74?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-74 -- Erik
Mannens to erik and Raphael to request feedback of other groups
such as SYMM, SVG, HTML + WHATWG, WAI, MAWG, TAG, MobileWeb,
TimedText -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/74">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/74</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0180.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0180.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I've contacted TAG, see
above<br />
... we might want to resume end of August</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-49?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-49 -- Yves
Lafon to draft the HTTP-Range syntax for different units
(completing all the syntax for the two way handshake) -- due
2009-03-25 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-86?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-86 --
Raphaël Troncy to to bring the 'comma optional' discussion
during next week telecon, in order to measure the price when
releasing the syntax -- due 2009-07-01 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/86">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/86</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-88?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-88 -- Yves
Lafon to verify that making the comma optional brings no
ambiguities in our syntax -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/88">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/88</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-86</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-86 to bring
the 'comma optional' discussion during next week telecon, in
order to measure the price when releasing the syntax closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> removing comma causes no
ambiguities<br />
... but we have to resolve the semantics<br />
... re start/end point; we need to be clear</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
"http://youtubetime.com/">http://youtubetime.com/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> see also <a href=
"http://youtubetime.com/">http://youtubetime.com/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> re TC I'll have to go
through it again and see which are effected (and reset them to
on-hold)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PROPOSAL:</cite> for temporal MF the
comma is optional and if one provided this means it is the
starting time</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: for
temporal MF the comma is optional and if one provided this
means it is the starting time</strong></p><a name="action01"
id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to revisit the TC and see
which are effected by the temporal-optional-comma-decision
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-93
- Revisit the TC and see which are effected by the
temporal-optional-comma-decision [on Michael Hausenblas - due
2009-07-29].</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-88</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-88 Verify
that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our
syntax closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-69?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-69 --
Conrad Parker to draw a representation of the general structure
of a media resource, for streamable formats (H/H' + K + D1 + D2
+ D3) -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Chair: raphael</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>conrad:</cite> people should review the
proposal on the Wiki<br />
... and give feedback via mailing list</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> in August we will
continue this and reach consensus in Sep</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-64?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-64 --
Michael Hausenblas to write into the WD section 6.4, what the
client should do with #everything after the hash : "Client Side
Media Fragment Resolution" -- due 2009-05-22 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/64">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/64</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-85</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-85 Update
resolution page, TC pages with that resolution closed</p>
<h3 id="item04">TEST CASES</h3>
<p class='phone'>-> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases</a>
TC</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-87</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-87 Add the
HTTP status code for all TC closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> we need to be more
explicit re output (HTTP status code is fine, but more details
re response header, etc.)</p>
<h3 id="item05">ISSUES</h3>
<p class='phone'>ISSUE-3?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-3 -- Does
our MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type
registrations? -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-89</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-89?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-89 -- Yves
Lafon to find out more about fragment identifier registration
-- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> at next IETF meeting</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0019.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0019.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I dunno how to handle
it</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> should be in both
directions, indeed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> can you, Yves, answer
Cyril on the list?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> will do</p>
<h3 id="item06">IMPLEMENTATION</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-90?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-90 -- Davy
Van Deursen to provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to
slice media files -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-91?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-91 --
Guillaume (Jean-Louis) Olivrin to look at the python gst lib --
due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/91">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/91</a></p>
<p class='phone'>both continue</p>
<h3 id="item07">AOB</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> either real F2F in
Amsterdam or ...</p>
<p class='phone'>virtual meeting</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> we wait till end of
August</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to
revisit the TC and see which are effected by the
temporal-optional-comma-decision [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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