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  <h1>SWXG Weekly Telecon</h1>

  <h2>17 Jun 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0127.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-irc">IRC
  log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>+1.314.683.aaaa, DKA, pchampin, tpa, Phil_Archer,
      tinkster, +1.510.931.aacc, oshani, AlexKorth, +4222aadd,
      cperey, +03491549aaee, jsalvachua, +0797094aaff, claudiov,
      +46.1.08.01.aagg, Carine, MacTed, FabGandon, karl, danbri,
      hhalpin</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chairs</dt>

      <dd>Dan Appelquist, Dan Brickley &amp; Harry Halpin (yes, all 3)</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>PhilA</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">Discussion on Context</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">General Organization and Task
        Forces</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">Invited Guests</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">Creating User Stories on the
        Wiki</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">Social Network Matrix</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
  <hr />

  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i didnt see my self
    join when i called in</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; where are the calling
    in messages?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hello</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; danbri has sent
    regrets and neither of our other chairs seem to have turned up
    yet.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i saw harry online
    earlier</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; its a he</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>yuk</cite>&gt; +yuk</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribe: PhilA</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribeNick:PhilA</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; pchampin, indeed
    :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; yup, still not
    working</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Context:</cite> DKA in an airport
    lounge, Harry should be joining soon</p>

    <h3 id="item01">Discussion on Context</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Wasnt to jump staright in to
    the discussion on context<br />
    ... Claudio - you and I have been most vociferous on this
    topic<br />
    ... so can we kick off this privacy nad context TF<br />
    ... so are you able to take a leadership role?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> In principle it would be
    nice<br />
    ... but like everyone, I have several engagements<br />
    ... but it's difficult to understand how the TF relates to the
    rest of the group. If Telecom Italia has some goals that it
    thinks are crucial?<br />
    ... I need to process my first proposal and see what the
    discussion leads to</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> You've fallen into my trap
    :-)<br />
    ... Can you take your original proposal; and subsequent
    discussion and formulate that as a TF charter?<br />
    ... The XG needs to agree on the context charter so that the
    TF's work can be defined</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> Again, nothing against
    creating that document but it would be useful to get some more
    comments<br />
    ... I want to be usre that we're progressing in a way that
    makes sense<br />
    ... (to the group)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; also there is the
    question of whether the Task Force will cover privacy</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> is it in scope to
    specify APIs for instance? Are we to create a vocabulary? Is it
    reasonable to achive those goals?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; perhaps we need
    examples of contexts, use cases make sense</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Can you point us to an
    initial e-mail and thtead?<br />
    ... I think the group needs a summary to look at</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Current
    deliverables &lt;<a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_TF#Deliverables%3E">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_TF#Deliverables&gt;</a>
    look good and achievable to me.</p>

    <p class='phone'>Cl;audio: There's a pointer on the scoail web
    wiki page</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; is this is a Task
    Force for Context + Privacy? or is there Task Force for Context
    and another Task Force for Privacy/Security</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> the link says sometehing
    like "this is an initial scope that the TF might do"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Claudio's scoping
    message - <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0020.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0020.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> SO my initial feedback would
    be that the soecification of APIs is probably out of scope but
    a selection of existing APIs would be in scope</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; what is context? It
    seems incredibly general.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; bblfish+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; bblfish+1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> So that fits in with the
    ethos of an XG - not to develop new technologies - more how to
    use exsting tech</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; is it just another
    way to speak about named graphs?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> But I definitely agree that
    a catalogue of different social contexts is useful<br />
    ... a vocab and privacy model would then flow from that<br />
    ... I just have a problem with the spec of an API</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> The only info I have on
    this is the term context. It may be huge and include a lot of
    things<br />
    ... then it's really related to some concept of an activity
    that a user may be performing at a given time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; context is
    abstract, specialisations need to be defined</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> this is like an extended
    version of the presence info</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; bblfish, my
    definition of context is up-to-the-minute profile info - i.e.,
    not foaf:based_near, but where is the person right now; what
    devices are they currently using; are they asleep, so not to be
    disturbed; what music are they listening to...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> I can give more info
    about my context that might be useful to people I'm connected
    to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ah ok. Don't call
    me, I am asleep.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; context could also
    include "I'm in a call</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; There was an
    ontology for what I am doing now</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> the user may be working,
    playing, travelling etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; so context
    embodies the current status also</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> we have a few use cases
    that may point to exploitation possibilitie4s<br />
    ... maybe something like 50% of your friends on a train, one
    walking, one shopping etc<br />
    ... these fit in with our definition of the term 'context'</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; totally useful
    but for me subdomain of privacy</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ok, yes, makes
    sense</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; it would be easy to
    build a vocab like that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Thanks for that</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; Really good
    explanation of context</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; vocab could be
    similar to activitystrea.ms</p>

    <p class='phone'>[ASIDE]: Discussion of who will chair now that
    DKA has to board a plane. Dan Bri takes over...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; chair:
    Dan_Appelquist</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; chair:
    Dan_Brickley</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i define context
    based on groundings</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; in time and space</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ok I have it
    <a href=
    "http://crschmidt.net/foaf/menow/">http://crschmidt.net/foaf/menow/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; can someone make an
    attempt at writing down what daniela said?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; should the
    definition include a social element?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> Having heard DKA's
    summary I think yes, that's good. I think we're close to a
    definition of context</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; the definition of
    context is very prgamatic.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> I'm afraid I can in half
    way through<br />
    ... my instinct is to get started withthe work as we atre an XG
    not a WG</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We can't keep messing around
    talking about what we're going to talk about</p>

    <p class='phone'>??: Even if defining an API is out of scope, I
    guess it's not out of scope to recommend that someone
    should?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; here is another
    ontology: <a href=
    "http://www.milanstankovic.org/opo/ontology.html">http://www.milanstankovic.org/opo/ontology.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; Håkan = hajons</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Surely we should be working
    out where the gaps are and who should fill them</p>

    <p class='phone'>ack</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; that is the "Online
    Presence Ontology"</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to work with Claudio on taking
    the context discussion to a proposal [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - PhilA</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; We skipped item 1
    and have done item 2 now.</p><a name="action02" id=
    "action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong>Phil_Archer to work with Clausio to
    take context discussion to a TF proposal [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; Zakime, take up agendum
    3</p>

    <h3 id="item02">General Organization and Task Forces</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DanBri:</cite> Just sorting out who is a
    TF leader</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; 3. Task Forces</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; + Do we have
    confirmed leaders for Context and Privacy Task</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; Force (Karl
    Dubost)?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; is that 1 or 2,
    ...etc</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (who said "hi"?)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think that Claudio and
    PhilA need to put toegther a more fleshed out TF goal in the
    wiki</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; daniela: claudio and
    phil will work on a fleshed-out scope in wiki, then if
    Claudio's happy with goals he is happy to be named on tf
    leader</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> that doen, he, Claudio,
    might then be TF leader</p><br />
    .,.. the though thing is getting consensus on the TF scope

    <p class='phone'><cite>DanBri:</cite> did we have a leader on
    protability?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>PeteFern:</cite> I think I was up for
    that</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; For Portability and
    Architectures Task Force (@@)?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>karl</cite>&gt; trackbot, comment
    ACTION-35 seny a message to Evan about joining the July 1st
    call. No answer yet. Will followup in 2 days in no answer.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-35 Follow
    up with Evan, see if July 1st date to talk about microblogging
    works. notes added</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; via harry's last
    email : Context Ontology : <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-dcontology-20090616/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-dcontology-20090616/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>??: I was trying to update the wiki for
    portability and architecture</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; OK, Pete + ??
    (missed name)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> is the wiki update going
    OK? Is it working?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; joachim
    salvachua</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; "Has Joaquin found
    scoping to be better for</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; portability? Can we
    have two leaders per task force? Do we</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; have critical mass,
    and if so, can we get telecon times for</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; them?"</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> I don't know if we have
    critical mass for this</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (can someone post
    wiki pointer?)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> we are trying to
    organise a call</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> or an IRC meeting?<br />
    ... we can discuss the differnet tasks and see how we can
    organise portabuility and architecture</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> so could you take an
    actionm to do that?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> yes</p><a name=
    "action03" id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joachim to organise a meeting to
    discuss the scope of the portability and architecture TF
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - Joachim</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; trackbot, help</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; See <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc</a>
    for help</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; trackbot,
    status</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> jsalvachua to organise meeteing to
    discuss scope of portability and architecture TF [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - jsalvachua</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>caribou</cite>&gt; user is
    joaquin</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to organise meeteing to
    discuss scope of portability and architecture TF [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-40
    - Organise meeteing to discuss scope of portability and
    architecture TF [on joaquin Salvachua - due 2009-06-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Dan A where are we up to
    wrt invited guests?</p>

    <h3 id="item03">Invited Guests</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think we need more
    inter-chair coordination</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Do we need a
    chairing list like the scribes list?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> my whole last week has been
    taken up with W3C working group meetings and strange Greek
    visitors<br />
    ... Informally, the invited guests I've had most feedback on is
    this guy, Evan from the microblogging community</p><a name=
    "action06" id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri invite Evan P. of identi.ca to
    a call [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'>danbri to line up Evan as guest
    speaker</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to line up Evan as guest
    speaker [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-41
    - Line up Evan as guest speaker [on Dan Brickley - due
    2009-06-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'>??: I had an action item to work with Harry to
    invite Nathan Eagle as a guest speaker</p>

    <h3 id="item04">Creating User Stories on the Wiki</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; cool</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I added a few 1-5
    user stories</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; Would like some
    feedback</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; ?? = hajons =
    Håkan</p>

    <p class='phone'>There's some stuff about take down on the
    wiki</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; close 2x danbri
    actions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>karl</cite>&gt; danbri, :) action-41
    and action-35 are the same no?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; continue oshani</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Oshani:</cite> Hi, yes, I didn't write
    it formally but I will do</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (similar, karl.
    similar ;)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Oshani:</cite> so you want me to write
    it based on the current template?<br />
    ... (the one Karl sent out)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> That would be ideal but
    we're not fussy</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; phil "i have a
    couple ... need to check not already done ... can add in next
    48 hours...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; "things around
    safety, people for whom their online id is their real id
    ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; "also people
    avoiding certain harmful ppl</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; More user stories:
    danbri, maybe your provenance of microblogs question could be
    added - tracing back forwarded messages.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; interesting
    interpretation of online existence</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Harry brought up the Iram
    situation - can that ne a uc?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> I wanted to talk a little
    about cleaning up some of the ones already there</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; tinkster, care to
    attempt that writeup?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; yes, sure.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; thx. can you action
    yourself?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> I'm about to throw a third
    template into the system. What are the plans for the user
    stories?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; ACTION Toby to
    document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user
    story.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-42
    - Document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user
    story. [on Toby Inkster - due 2009-06-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> is it going to be a running
    thing? Will it be locked at some point? What is the expected
    use of the edited version?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I think we add
    stories during the life of the XG, but as we go on they will
    settle</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> The primary deliverable
    from this group is the report. That said, the repository of use
    cases is going to be useul for everyone to see what tech needs
    to address</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>karL:</cite> I think the user stories
    can be used when we're writing the formal spec - use them to
    define what we want to write about</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; karl, you wanted to
    talk about the user stories</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I'm going to try nad
    converge the different things into one<br />
    ... I don't expect too much of a change from what Karl's
    template did</p>

    <p class='phone'>scribe notes that I think the previous 'tpa'
    accreditation was probably wrong</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I've already seen some
    repitition. I've recommended that we use character names with
    first names from the alphabet<br />
    ... I think if I create different characters, that might
    generate new cases.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Endorse the point about
    covering people from differnet backgrounds</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; +1 good idea with
    multiple backgrounds</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write up orkut/i18n/"looking
    for" issue [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-43
    - Write up orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue [on Dan Brickley -
    due 2009-06-24].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Good cast of
    characters to start with: <a href=
    "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>TIm:</cite> What would be nice would be
    that any story arriving after next week did so using the
    template</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; cf <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/WAI/redesign/personas">http://www.w3.org/WAI/redesign/personas</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> do you need a new action
    item for this?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> no</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Harry, you're here?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; hhalpin, will you
    join us?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>oshani:</cite> I'm confused about the
    final deliverable of the privacy TF?<br />
    ... I'd like it to be more specific<br />
    ... I've not seen any e-mails on this. What is the privacy
    landscape? (please;-) )</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I think it is just
    some idea of what kinds of privacy solutions are out there</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> landscape is one of those
    words that means please describe everything? �!</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> Like Oshani, I'm worried
    that the scope is not clear<br />
    ... it's why I was trying to make sure that the user stories
    would define a tighter scope<br />
    ... maybe I could discuss this with Oshani by mail</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; macted must be
    noisy?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (it was karl i
    think)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>oshani:</cite> from my POV, context is
    as aspect of privacy so moving it out makes it difficult for
    me</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> is this something that we
    can solve by redirection?<br />
    ... we look at XMPP&lt; microformats, open social etc/.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; oshani: context
    subtask of privacy +1. on the other hand it makes sence to chop
    tasks down to subtasks</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> they'll say different
    things and it might give us a first pass on how they all cover
    this</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; stuff like SOAP has
    privacy too or something</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; what is privacy in
    real life?</p>

    <h3 id="item05">Social Network Matrix</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; some fix topic!!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; I think we have
    achieved the first level goal</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; generated in
    multiple ways</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> How I was envisioning the
    social matrix was a list of X sites, ideally geographically
    dispersed with some view on usage</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> how they implemented context,
    privacy and portability</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; the paper sent to
    the mailing list this week was very helpful</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; the one of sören
    preibusch, yes!</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> Once the use case doc has
    some functionality like single log in, multiple groups,
    multiple privacy, dynamic context, then we can go through these
    different sites and see how they match up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; the paper sent was
    very helpful, but doesn't cover mobile social networks</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> I was going to suggest we
    asked Sorin or his co-author to discuss at the next telecon how
    they would take their data and merge it into our
    deliverable</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Social Network
    matrix</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; paper pointer:
    <a href=
    "http://preibusch.de/publications/social_networks/privacy_jungle_dataset.htm">
    http://preibusch.de/publications/social_networks/privacy_jungle_dataset.htm</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> the overview deliverable will
    be on future direction of W3C</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; tpa, i wanted to
    grab harry while he was there re 6. but sorry should've wrapped
    up User Stories first</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> but a technical deliverable
    would list some of the details</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; sounds good +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> I'm just proposing that Sorin
    and I exchange matrices and look over each other's</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; is mobile social
    netowrks, social networks on mobile devices ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (re 6, ... continue
    all actions)</p>

    <p class='phone'>These are large actions - Karl making a matrix
    is a big job</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; agreed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; continued</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> And there's a lot for me and
    Christine to do - they ain't going to be done by next week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; No I'm good</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; tpa? anything more
    re user stories?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> any more to say onuser
    stories?<br />
    ... we should begin to wrap up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; mobile social
    networks = social networks which are by-design for mobile
    device users</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; mobile
    context-related privacy can only be covered be investigating
    mobile SNS</p>

    <p class='phone'>propsed resolution: accept <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html</a>
    as last week's minutes</p>

    <p class='phone'>proposed resolution: accept <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html</a>
    as last week's minutes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; sure</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; maybe do that on
    mailing list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; hhalpin, yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Quick question -
    should we have Soren's Preibusch.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 's paper to
    discuss?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; I'm happy to
    accept last week's minutes.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexKorth</cite>&gt; hhalpin, good
    idea</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I think Evan said
    he was available on July 1st?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>resolution:</cite> accept <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html</a>
    as last week's minutes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; I +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> meeting adjourned</p>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri invite
  Evan P. of identi.ca to a call [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write up
  orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to
  organise meeteing to discuss scope of portability and
  architecture TF [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to work
  with Claudio on taking the context discussion to a proposal
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />


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