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  <h1>SWXG XG Weekly Meeting for 2009-06-10</h1>

  <h2>10 Jun 2009</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc">IRC
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  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>tpa, jsalvachua,yuk, DKA, tinkster, rreck,
      Carine, Cloud, hajons, hhalpin, cperey, bblfish
      pchampin, karl, mischat, adam, matthew</dd>

      <dt>Regrets: Claudio, oshani, peterf</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>DKA</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Tim Anglade</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item02">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
        2009-06-10T13:00-15:00Z</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">General Organization and Task
        Forces</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">Optional Face-to-Face
        Meeting</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">Invited Guests</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">Creating User Stories on the
        Wiki</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item07">Social Network Matrix</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Chair: DKA</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: tpa</p>


    <h3 id="item02">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
    2009-06-10T13:00-15:00Z</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> meeting convened.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 3 June 2009 as a true record</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: to meet
    again Wed, 17 June. scribe volunteer?</p>

    <h3 id="item03">General Organization and Task Forces</h3>


    <p class='phone'>Claudio sent some emails about task
    forces.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; According to our
    brand new Zakim list, <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/ScribeList">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/ScribeList</a>,
    Phil Archer should scribe next.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Task forces need to be
    chartered</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Will e-mail him a
    reminder.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to collect
    information on the wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we should figure out which
    task forces want to do which meetings<br />
    ... schedule which conf call is dedicated to which task
    force<br />
    ... also figure out how to handle Portability<br />
    ... what could be the topics of the task forces<br />
    ... maybe put that on the wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> maybe dedicate the next call
    to Context and Privacy?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; echo on the line
    coming from somewhere?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> do some homework in the
    coming weeks to come up with initiatives that revolve around
    Context and catalog them, their level of involvement in
    Privacy<br />
    ... we give the example of location being key<br />
    ... they could be associated with safety of child safety
    issues</p>


    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> those could be useful to
    define a shared view of Context, both from an industrial and an
    academic perspective</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; What I'll do is
    I'll put the agenda format on the wiki asap so people can add
    context and privacy related items to agenda all over the next
    week.</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to start putting agenda on
    wiki day after meeting [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> especially how they mesh
    with the mobile and social media spaces<br />
    ... requests caffeine injections into XG members</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; if I unmute I will
    only cough into the conference call :-(</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ack</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we need to look at
    Renato's policy comments and ideas</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; there wer a few
    talks on policy at the eswc spot track in crete</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Adam:</cite> send a reading list before
    each confcall?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; here <a href=
    "http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/">http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; here are the
    papers: <a href=
    "http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/papers">http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/papers</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; For context, it
    would be useful if someone involved in WebApps sort of put
    forward a list of context-capable APIs.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; And debriefed us on
    Mobile Web W3C Activity.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we should focus immediate
    actions and reading on Context and Privacy.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; the reading links
    will be on the listserv or wiki?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we also need to define
    overall scope.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/sism.html">http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/sism.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> regarding Portability, we
    already have some work going on with FOAF and vCard but we need
    to focuse on mapping between networks for Interoperability</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Matthew:</cite> we have been looking at
    how functionalities in social networks overlap and can be
    mapped</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; where can i read more
    about the mappings?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Check on that
    web-page.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Matthew:</cite> we're looking into
    providing schematics on how to standardize this mapping, we're
    looking for feedback</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; cool</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I also think
    ASemantics had a mapping somewhere....not sure if they're on
    the call.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> anything else also on
    XMPP?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> yes, there's a lot of
    activity around Google Wave. Peter Saint Andre has accepted our
    invitation but we need to set a date. Maybe he can debrief us
    on XMPP</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> dedicate each call to a
    specific topic or task force?<br />
    ... maybe for the call on the 24th, we could center it around
    this task force?<br />
    ... But is there a charter for those task forces or a
    definition?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> no, no leader or scoping
    either.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; joaquin?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if we spin off a taskforce,
    we need a leader for it, could be a co-chair, should have a
    delivery statement</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; i can do it</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> proposes Joaquin<br />
    ... or Peter Ferne</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; zakim unmute
    me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Yes, agree that
    Portability needs a better scoping statement, I remember
    Joaquin having some good ideas.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joaquin:</cite> I can try to do
    this.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; yes. i will do
    it</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to write up draft scoping and
    definition for portability and architecture task force.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: Next week
    about context, week after portability.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we took a decision to do the
    next call around Portability? We need a mission statement and a
    leader the Context and Privacy TF, maybe Claudio?</p>


    <h3 id="item04">Optional Face-to-Face Meeting</h3>
>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; Claudio made leader
    in abstentia ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> propose to meet at TPAC or
    the Internet Identify Workshop</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> entrance fee is low,
    around $60 hotel and travel not included</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; we should have a
    meeting</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>caribou</cite>&gt; fee is $50/day</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; the objectives?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Do we want to meet at
    TPAC?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; last one was in
    Europe, good to have on in USA</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Usually fun and nice.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; The main problem is
    we NEED to tell W3C asap.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to take the W3C up
    on this offer</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I enjoyed the spain
    one</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Which two days?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; One meeting?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; open meeting?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> and bring additional people
    from the community, participants from start-ups and other
    companies that may not be participating in W3C<br />
    ... but we need to communicate to W3C what our requirements
    are, for example a bigger room on one of the days</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the main issue is really
    if we can get 10 people minimum there, otherwise it's not worth
    doing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the other thing is that
    there is this Internet Identify Workshop running in
    parallel</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; is the internet
    identity workshop at exactly the same time?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> lot of the OAuth, XRI,
    Facebook, Myspace people would be at that workshop.<br />
    ... it runs a little shorter than TPAC and in another building
    down the road<br />
    ... maybe pick Friday as the open day?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; Frisay</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; Friday</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; 1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> who would be able to
    attend?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AdamB</cite>&gt; i would likely be
    able to</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; probably not
    :-(</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i would like to go,
    but i cannot commit to it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I'd like to, but a
    bit difficult to say at this point, as there are a lot of
    unknows with Oracle takeover between now and then</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; probably not.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>FabGandon</cite>&gt; +1 for TPAC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; not sure, depend
    if i get funding from university</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>milstan</cite>&gt; most likely not
    :(</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; a few days,
    actually</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> for researchers you could
    work in around the Semantic Web conference in DC</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to open poll about the subject
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; plus there should
    be a lot of people in the bay area</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; that can come</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we should move fast and
    book the room<br />
    ... with TPAC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; maybe link it to the
    November 2009 events wiki page</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: Book a
    room for TPAC 2009.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Christine also proposed
    another idea which was to do another workshop</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I see the open day at TPAC
    being the same thing as doing another XG workshop</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Also, Ian Jacobs of
    W3C wanted to have a open day.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> it's more cost effective to
    do it inside TPAC</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> doing it inside TPAC
    fulfills other requirements as well</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hhalpin: what is
    the other semweb conference at the same time?</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; notes that for
    people like myself who are into the Semantic Web, International
    Semantic Web Conference: <a href=
    "http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/">http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/</a></p>


    <h3 id="item05">Invited Guests</h3>


    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Karl was talking to the
    open microblogging people</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> had a mail exchange with
    Evan, not available right now, will be back at the end of June,
    interested, we need to figure what we want him to talk
    about<br />
    ... There's no issue about having him as an invited guest, we
    just need to work with him to define what he'll be talking to
    us about.</p>

    <p class='phone'>s/Ivan??/Evan/</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> there are a lot of
    interesting subjects around microblogging, XMPP and OAuth</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; SIOC is not a
    million miles away either.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> XMPP to do Google
    Wave-type microblogging, OAuth working in the back, etc.<br />
    ... Asking him point blank "what do you want W3C to do with
    this?", why and how to standardize microblogging<br />
    ... SIOC is also related</p>


    <p class='phone'><cite>Cloud:</cite> I talked to Evan and the
    microblogging people</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Also of interest -
    <a href=
    "http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/IdenticaSiocData">http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/IdenticaSiocData</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://gitorious.org/openmicroblogging/mainline/blobs/master/openmicroblogging.txt">
    http://gitorious.org/openmicroblogging/mainline/blobs/master/openmicroblogging.txt</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; john: they can ping
    as many microblogs to send over</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; john: data is
    stored using SIOC and FOAF</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; I came across this
    possibly related effort recently: <a href=
    "http://twitterdata.org/">http://twitterdata.org/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> John, what's the
    relationship between open microblogging &amp; semantic
    microblogging ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>John:</cite> we try to make them
    compatible but haven't gotten there</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; john: we wanted to
    allow the client/server system to work with
    open-microblogging</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Related to
    twitterdata.org - <a href=
    "http://www.microsyntax.org/">http://www.microsyntax.org/</a>
    <a href=
    "http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec">http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; john: we are
    allowing people to embed semantics inside microblogs
    themselves</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... but we can
    allow the micrblogged content distributed across different
    sites</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ... we could use
    twitterdata, starpriority, microsyntax, which look at embedding
    RDF or microformat-like semantic syntax into microblog
    posts</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> sounds like there's 2
    distincts things going on<br />
    ... 1) is transfer of the messages and 2) how to embed
    semantics inside a message</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; smob looked at
    the embedding of semantics</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> maybe do a separate call
    on (2) later on? Could be a productive meeting to have?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec">http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec</a>
    is my RDF-in-microblogging idea. It's a bit crazy, but
    works.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.microsyntax.org/">http://www.microsyntax.org/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if anybody has any contact
    working on Twitter data, microsyntax efforts, etc. it would be
    nice to have them on the 1st of July call</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; That is more
    "microformats for microblogs"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Cloud</cite>&gt; Thanks
    tinkster!</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Karl to follow up with Evan, see if
    that date works. [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; Also relevant -
    <a href=
    "http://microformats.org/wiki/picoformats">http://microformats.org/wiki/picoformats</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RDF could be
    considered a kiloformat :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; I think pico is as
    small as anyone's gone so far.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we haven't actually
    included XMPP or DataPortability folks yet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-nanoformats">http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-nanoformats</a>
    (a thousand times bigger than picoformats?)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Cloud</cite>&gt; Also <a href=
    "http://civilities.net/Star_Priority_Notation">http://civilities.net/Star_Priority_Notation</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> maybe continue that action
    and try to get them on the line</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://m2bp.pbworks.com/">http://m2bp.pbworks.com/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Media 2.0 Best
    Practices</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Its mostly a sort
    manifesto about user rights over data.</p><a name="action05"
    id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to make DKA's day [RESOLVED]
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Renato
    and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Update from hajons
    or cperey, or continue actions?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; it is just part of
    the Invited Guests list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; [CONTINUE]
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hakon to ask Terry Eagle and Sandy
    Pentland for guest telecon</p>

    <h3 id="item06">Creating User Stories on the Wiki</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> people have been listing and
    annotating user stories</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i agree we should
    refine the userstories</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> is it worth assigning an
    editor to those?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; +1 for editor or
    two editors to user stories</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AdamB</cite>&gt; +1 on focused
    discussion of user stories</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Could be good to add some
    consistency to them.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1 focused
    discussion</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; or create a new
    one</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; at a different
    day/time</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> If someone could take
    responsibility for this, that'd be great, then we could take a
    telecon to discuss them.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> has anybody been
    particularly active with the user stories?</p><a name=
    "action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make a calendar of topics
    for upcoming Social Web XGs [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; 1st July Semantic
    Microblogging ++</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if the 1st of July is too
    soon for a microblogging call, maybe dedicate it instead to
    user stories?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>lubna</cite>&gt; +1 focused
    discussion</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> anybody in playing an
    editorial role on user stories?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; not all at once</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Tim Anglade
    volunteers to edit stories?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Tim Anglade
    volunteers!</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> volunteers, but not very
    involved with stories so far, would accept help.</p><a name=
    "action08" id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Tim to W3C-style "edit" user stories
    on <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a>
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>


    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ah we are on user
    stories</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>FabGandon</cite>&gt; I can be
    co-editor with Tim if he wants help.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to come up with an
    action plan or set of recommendations about what we like, or
    what we need to fill the next ones correctly</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Fabien Gandon</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> would be useful from an
    editorial perspective</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Fabien:</cite> volunteers to co-edit the
    user stories with Tim.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes there is a lot
    of difference between the User Stories. Some of them are very
    simple, some are extreemly long and complex</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> with the matrix, Christine
    was asking why we were drafting yet another list of Social
    Networks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; ED ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> annotate the stories on the
    same page to see how people interact with social media<br />
    ... one of the outputs of that is something that could be
    digestable by a non-technical audience<br />
    ... and here's how they map with the technologies out of the
    community</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes, I wonder if
    info about the US should be on the same page as the
    technologies that can be used to implement them</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> the matrix should be next to
    the user stories. Maybe figure that out on July 1st<br />
    ... during the call, live edit the wiki page and structure it
    all out.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Sounds good to
    me.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; do you intend to
    link use cases with specific community services?</p>

    <h3 id="item07">Social Network Matrix</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; but the theme has
    been that we need to have more definitions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; at least that was a
    question I asked</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; what was "in" and
    why</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; the danger of a
    matrix is that it max show us what exists currently, but not
    show where to go. Or the past may overwhelm the future</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; i.e. how do we
    define "Social Network"?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; the list could be
    infinite</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I find the user
    stories more interesting</p>

    <p class='phone'>also, it's hard to figure out where to put
    some initiatives in the matrices I've seen so far</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; agree entirely</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AdamB</cite>&gt; could one of the
    sections (in the wiki / final report) be about looking
    forward</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> my interest is not so much
    in the popular community services, but the community services
    that are kind of popping up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; I will sign off in
    1.5 minutes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> but it's a moving target, so
    it's hard to keep a document up-to-date for that</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; but, of course, it
    is good to have a list of sites, as a basis to develop ideas on
    how they could leverage a social web to make it easier for
    their users</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; So is the idea
    of the matrix to show the specific functionalities that are
    similar and different on different social networking sites?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-accord-pushes-location-sharing-between-social-networks/">
    http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-accord-pushes-location-sharing-between-social-networks/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> other thoughts on the
    matrix, maybe do a review, add some additional information?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> no one wants to do that
    (apparently)<br />
    ... From the use case document, we could extract
    functionalities, potential functionalities and do other
    matrices by other definitions<br />
    ... list them by website, to be able to compare</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; agree with
    hhalpin</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Sort of an empirical
    grounding of the functionality that we want</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Maybe exhibit popular
    networks that, as it turns out, don't offer much in the way of
    functionalities, etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; it's a bit of a
    ltater process.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; it's a bit of a
    later process, it's less important than the user stories and
    best practices.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if we can find data that
    shows these companies or services open themselves up, use those
    particular technologies and have been reporting success</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; but I thought we
    could at least get the matrix together.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; could allow
    ranking of sns by adoption of standards?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Show they don't do it just
    because it's open but because it brings success, it could be a
    good argument</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; +1 matthew</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; it would be nice to
    see which userstories could apply to which networking sites</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We should be collecting that
    information as well, from an industry perspective</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; +1 rreck</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; the matrix gives a
    background picture of what is happening. So in some ideas one
    can look at what the sites do and then imagine how one could do
    the same in an open web</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the user stories could be
    important as well, by the time our guidelines emerge from those
    use cases, we'd have enough to boostrap a list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Shall we adjourn
    meeting?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to end the
    call<br />
    ... move to adjourn</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; bye all!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Cloud</cite>&gt; Thanks everyone -
    bye!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Adjourn meeting</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AdamB</cite>&gt; thanks, adios</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; is this all for
    today? I thought it was going on for 2 hours</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>lubna</cite>&gt; thanks</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> next call will be about
    Context</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jsalvachua</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattroweshow</cite>&gt; cya</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to make
  DKA's day [RESOLVED] [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to open
  poll about the subject [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make a
  calendar of topics for upcoming Social Web XGs [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to start
  putting agenda on wiki day after meeting [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to write
  up draft scoping and definition for portability and architecture
  task force. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Karl to follow up
  with Evan, see if that date works. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Tim to W3C-style
  "edit" user stories on <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a>
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and
  DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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