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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>MAWG</h1>

  <h2>09 Jun 2009</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>daniel, florian, werner, joakim, tmichel, tobias,
      veronique, felix, wonsuk, pchampin</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>chris</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Joakim</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>florian</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>veroniqueM</cite>&gt; hi! I will not
    be able to join on the phone, other meetings going on at the
    same time, but I will follow on IRC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; hi welcome!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribe: florian</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; Scribe: Florian</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>minutes accepted</p>

    <p class='phone'>next telecon: 16.06</p>

    <p class='phone'>no telecon at 23.06. because of he F2F in
    Stockholm</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-43:</cite> ongoing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-43 Check
    XMP rating notes added</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-47:</cite> ongoing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-47 And
    Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a
    "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> wants to know the meaning
    of Action-105</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> coming up with some
    vocabulary, terminology, ...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-105:</cite> ongoing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-105 Daniel
    to ask members for the definition of contributor types notes
    added</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> is not sure whether the
    requirements document is updated as mentioned in Action-121</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> allready updated</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> there are linking
    problems to the right version of the document</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; shouldn't the link
    point to the "latest version" URI?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> make the change</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; linked page in MAWG
    page is 20090119 version, so needs to be updated in our web
    page</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-121:</cite> ongoing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-121 Remind
    doug to publish requirements document notes added</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-122:</cite> close</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-122 Talk to
    with Phillipe about the delay of the publication notes
    added</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-122</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-122 Talk to
    with Phillipe about the delay of the publication closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>next item: Initial draft of "Ontology for
    Media Entity 1.0"</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> veronique applied
    comments to the initial document</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj">http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Use Cases and
    Requirements link on <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> change of the title of
    section 2<br />
    ... added "complex" property value type</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; ... now updated to
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604">http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> introduction changed to
    the comments of veronique</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>veroniqueM</cite>&gt; I also changed
    other sections...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> moved the mapping
    expression</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>veroniqueM</cite>&gt; according to the
    proposition I sent on the mailing list last week</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> all the differences can
    be found in <a href=
    "http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj">http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Section 3.2. only a table
    with editorial notes?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> should we add
    descriptions?<br />
    ... descriptions should be added in a second version</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> this section only a
    placeholder?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>felix:</cite> columns in the tables are
    missing (semantic mapping)<br />
    ... syntactic level mapping are missing</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; mute aaaa</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> first looking at
    standards (for datatypes), than adopt thema, than specify the
    mapping</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> we need syntactic level
    mapping<br />
    ... accordiung datatypes in existing formats</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; or "comma
    separated list of values" vs. actual multiple values</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> extending the information
    in a similar way in a next draft like in CableLabs 1.1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; action - everybody
    responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic
    information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his
    table</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - -</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; werner?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> agrees with the need for
    choosing the datatypes based on used datatypes in other
    standards</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tobias</cite>&gt; +1 for Werner</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> +1 for Werner</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to check - everybody responsible
    for a format: add a column describing syntactic information
    ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-124
    - Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column
    describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab
    column "Type") to his table [on Felix Sasaki - due
    2009-06-16].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> is this version of
    ontology draft close for publishment?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> initial version of
    mapping table should be checked by Thierry</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; let's go for the
    publication as quick as possible to get further feedbacks from
    outside experts</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1 for daniel</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> will check the document
    and discuss it offline with Wonsuk</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> publishment of the
    document possible till friday?<br />
    ... document needs to be varified by the w3c</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> different things to do
    in order to publish<br />
    ... xhtml validation<br />
    ... no broken links in the document<br />
    ... comeing up with a list of TODOs on the ontology draft<br />
    ... publications only on tuesday and thursday (request one day
    before)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> after Thierries comments
    we will publish the document<br />
    ... make recordings for an improvement of the first version of
    the ontology doc</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the last comment of
    veronique remainded on the discussion of the last F2F where we
    thought about several layers of complexity</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1 for Werner</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; +1 to werner</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> better uzsage for
    reasoning and usability<br />
    ... add note that more formal defintiions will come up in next
    versions of the draft, oerhaps in the introduction or ion the
    property section list</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> agrees with Werner, add
    this description to the property section</p>

    <p class='phone'>unmute me</p><a name="action02" id=
    "action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Florian make wiki page for the
    improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...)
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-125
    - Make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document
    (type column, ...) [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2009-06-16].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Florian:</cite> will try to summarize
    rthe open issues in a wiki page for the F2F in Stockholm</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> wants to define a
    serialization for properties</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> out of scope from the
    goals of our group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; s/ Werner Werner</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; no problem :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; Felix: I am worried
    that others will just define one or several serializations, so
    better we do it before</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; AOBs?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; Felix:
    functionality for setting properties in existing formats and
    their serialization might not always possible</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; bye~</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; thanks editors for
    the good work!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; yeah you did
    good</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; Then you should
    email the link to the list please!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; ok thanks, see
    you!</p>

    <p class='phone'>bye everybody!</p>

    <p class='phone'>have a nice week!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; chair: joakim</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to check -
  everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing
  syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type")
  to his table [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Florian make wiki
  page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column,
  ...) [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  [End of minutes]<br />
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