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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>17 Feb 2010</h2>

  <p><a href=
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  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

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      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Jack, Yves, Raphael, Silvia, Michael, Conrad, Erik</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Davy</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Raphael</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. ADmin</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. F2F Agenda</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. SPECIFICATION</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. Test Cases</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">5. AOB</a></li>
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    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 17 February
    2010</p>

    <p class='phone'>Silvia, are you planning to join?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; ACTION-140?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-140 --
    Michael Hausenblas to create a more readable version of the TC
    classification at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a>
    -- due 2010-02-17 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/140">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/140</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc2html.xslt&amp;xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc.rdf&amp;content-type=&amp;submit=transform">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc2html.xslt&amp;xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc.rdf&amp;content-type=&amp;submit=transform</a></p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. ADmin</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Accept the minutes at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. F2F Agenda</h3>

    <p class='phone'>F2F Meeting</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: the agenda
    is open for suggestions</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. SPECIFICATION</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; * ACTION-134: Erik
    to mark up the spec with normative and informative classes
    [postpone?]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; * ACTION-139: Silvia
    to mark up specified sections as implementable</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: silvia is
    not here but she has done 138 and 138 (?)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; close action-138</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-138 Include
    Erik's diagrams into specification closed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; close action-139</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-139 Mark up
    specified sections as implementable closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>Current document: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: regarding
    section 5.1.3</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-name-value-lists">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-name-value-lists</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: silvia
    thinks we should also mark it as implementable</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: the only
    thing refraining her from that atm is an objection from
    jack</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: jack notes
    that we have not yet concluded if an unspecified dimension
    should be a zero or not</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: we need to
    decide how strict/lax we need to be with interpretations of the
    spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; what happens with
    <a href=
    "http://www.example.com/foo.m4a#t=12-20&amp;this_is_not_a_mediafrag">
    http://www.example.com/foo.m4a#t=12-20&amp;this_is_not_a_mediafrag</a>
    will return a valid mediafrag using 5.1.3</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: i still think
    that being relaxed is fine, but if something is over-specified,
    such as specifying two time prefixes or two spatial prefixes,
    there would be too much scope for error</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: for every
    cascading rule you can find a use case, where one overrides or
    extends the other</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: i don't feel
    confident about stating that one rule can handle 90% of
    cases</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: if there is no
    clear rule, eg. saying t=100,200&amp;t=20,40, then how should
    that be interpreted? there are 3 obvious possible
    interpretations, and each has people backing it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: i'm perfectly
    happy with name=value pairs we don't understand, that is up to
    implementations</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: if there is a
    name=value pair that we do understand, we should be stricter
    about that</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; yves: this is test
    3e (?) -- we should be clear about handling of things that are
    not recognized, partial media fragments etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; yves: a validator
    should provide errors</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: i agree</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael; for a good
    combination of things that we can recognize, jack is saying
    that we shouldn't try to understand what they are doing, but
    specify a rule</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; things that can be
    recovered could be close strings, like xyhw -&gt; xywh (obvious
    typo)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: yes, according
    to our spec it should throw an error</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: just like we
    cannot accept id and t combined should give the same result as
    two t's combined</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; My pref would
    by: replace all "Any previously set value is discarded" with
    "it is an error if a value was previously set"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: we need to
    resolve how these ambiguous cases and combined parameters are
    handled</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: i think what
    jack in particular objected to was philip's suggestion that any
    previous key=value settings are discarded on error</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; rssagent, draft
    minutes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1 to error instead of
    discarding</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: i would
    suggest that instead of discarding newly set disallowed values,
    an error should be thrown</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: from a
    (parser/UA) implementors point of view, simply discarding seems
    simpler, but a content author may expect cascading</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; I can think of an
    intersection of t #t=10,20&amp;t=6,12&amp;intersect</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; not a mediafrag =&gt;
    mediafrag recognition fails</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: i cannot see
    of a clear rule that prefers discarding or cascading, so we
    should just specify an error</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> we cannot find a general
    way for cascading rules, so throw an error</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; (defined in another
    spec, for example)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: i agree --
    discarding would just encourage lazy programming</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; yves: if there is no
    specification for an intersection, no problem, but in our case
    if we don't flag an error then we have to specify it as a valid
    media fragment</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; yves: i agree that
    it should be an error</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; conrad: what is an
    error</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: it is not a
    media fragment</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: it must be
    simply discarded and the fragment cannot be resolved as a media
    fragment</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: [analogy to
    html page]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; We seem to have
    moved to 5.1.5</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: but in the
    case of an HTML UA, everything is happening within the UA, not
    on the network</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: i think it
    is the same for both html and media resources</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; (and I think
    that that editorial that is attributed to Michael is actually
    mine:-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: case 1) for
    html if the # cannot be resolved, the full resource is
    displayed</p>

    <p class='phone'>yes Jack, but you defer it to Michael a long
    time ago :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: for media,
    if the # cannot be understood, the whole resource is shown from
    the beginning</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; good:-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: case 2) if
    the resource has previously been loaded: same behaviour, HTML
    goes to top of page, media should go to the beginning</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; raphael: perhaps we
    should merge section 5.1.3, 5.1.5 on these topics</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: for error
    handling, i think we should make sure that put this in
    informative text not normative text</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: because the
    best case for handling an error is up to the application</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; also authoring tools
    should report errors</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; jack: in the case of
    eg. pay-per-view content the UA may offer to interfere and
    confirm with the user</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: i agree</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> there is the proposal of
    making 5.1.5 into a full section 6</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: michael, did
    you get a chance to review the list of error cases presented
    last week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; Michael: I
    agree</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; silvia, url?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; silence ==
    agreement ;)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: 5.1.5: we
    need to look at errors in each of the dimensions (time, track,
    id)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: and then if
    we look at combined dimensions then we need more cases</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; silvia: hence i'm
    suggesting to make it into a full section</p><a name="action01"
    id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Conrad to add a paragraph in the
    section 5.2.1 that further clarify the role of the UA for
    rendering a media fragment [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-141
    - Add a paragraph in the section 5.2.1 that further clarify the
    role of the UA for rendering a media fragment [on Conrad Parker
    - due 2010-02-24].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; hey!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; mhausenblas, you
    wanted to note re appendix</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; michael: i would
    prefer to have the POV of an implementer that needs/wants to
    run the test cases</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; michael: from
    implementer's pov it should be as easy as possible to do their
    [verification?] work</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    Raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Suggestion:</cite> replace all "Any
    previously set value is discarded" with "it is an error if a
    value was previously set" in 5.1.3 and remove editorial note of
    Jack</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;
    s/Suggegstion/Proposal:</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: replace
    all "Any previously set value is discarded" with "it is an
    error if a value was previously set" in 5.1.3 and remove
    editorial note of Jack</strong></p><a name="action02" id=
    "action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Troncy to apply this change in the
    section 5.1.3 (jack's note) [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-142
    - Apply this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) [on
    Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-02-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Providing this change,
    can we mark this section as implementable?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> adding one more note about
    id?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I would just say that
    everything concerning the time dimension is implementable, the
    rest is still under discussion</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> I would not move 5.1.5 in
    an Appendix</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I would move a section 6
    and see later if we move it in an appendix depending the length
    of the document</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to move 5.1.5 into a new
    section [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-143
    - Move 5.1.5 into a new section [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due
    2010-02-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Section 5.1.1 is related
    to ISSUE-13</p>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-13?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-13 -- Write
    a IETF draft for proposing how to register the fragment scheme
    for all media types -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/13">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/13</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> move this section to the
    top after the introduction</p><a name="action04" id=
    "action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to move the section 5.1.1 to
    the top [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-144
    - Move the section 5.1.1 to the top [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due
    2010-02-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Section 5.1.4, general
    interpretation of media fragments, we have so far a HTML5
    browser type of UA in mind<br />
    ... What are the other UA we are talking about?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I'm not sure if we should
    say that all browsers should render the same way</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-141?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-141 --
    Conrad Parker to add a paragraph in the section 5.2.1 that
    further clarify the role of the UA for rendering a media
    fragment -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/141">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/141</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> perhaps start this
    discussion within the HTML5 fora</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>conrad</cite>&gt; a non-browser UA
    could be a video editor as a consumer of media fragments</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> maybe we should turn the
    rendering into a new section as well</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I like that too</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> so we have sections about
    Syntax, Formal processing and then Guidelines and Errors</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> how far we should go in
    terms of saying something about rendering of a media fragment
    is still a matter of discussion</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> other UA ... video
    editor, qt player, youtube/dailymotion iPhone app, etc.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I will start this
    dicussion thread within the Accessibility task Force of the
    HTML5 WG</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; but also think
    non-rendering apps (metadata annotation)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> there are developers
    there that will udnerstand what we are talking about</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I'm uncomfortable with
    the fact that sections 3, 4.1 and 5.1.1 are marked as
    non-normative<br />
    ... could we just comment that?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I tend to ignore that, I
    rather looked at implementable or not</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. Test Cases</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ACTON-140?</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-140?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-140 --
    Michael Hausenblas to create a more readable version of the TC
    classification at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a>
    -- due 2010-02-17 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/140">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/140</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc2html.xslt&amp;xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc.rdf&amp;content-type=&amp;submit=transform">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc2html.xslt&amp;xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FTC%2Fmftc.rdf&amp;content-type=&amp;submit=transform</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> just simple table
    layout<br />
    ... do you have any suggestions?</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-140</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-140 Create
    a more readable version of the TC classification at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a>
    closed</p>

    <h3 id="item05">5. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I have mentionned a list
    of errors for the time dimension<br />
    ... I would appreciate if we could include that into the
    TC<br />
    ... and add them in the Section 6<br />
    ... it would be good if could agree on that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I will add these TC in
    the good place (my action-118) by next week</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok, so we discuss that
    next week</p>

    <p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; FYI: I've now
    updated <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesOverview">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesOverview</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; so that there
    is a direct link to the MFTC categorisation and tabular
    rendering</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; cya</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Conrad to add a
  paragraph in the section 5.2.1 that further clarify the role of
  the UA for rendering a media fragment [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to move
  5.1.5 into a new section [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to move
  the section 5.1.1 to the top [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Troncy to apply
  this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

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