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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>07 Oct 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Oct/0000.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael, Jack, Yves, Conrad, Davy</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Silvia, Michael</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>conrad</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. admin</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. UC &amp; Requirements doc</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. Specification</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. Test Cases</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">7. AOB</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
  <hr />

  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 07 October
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Chair: Erik,
    Raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    conrad</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. admin</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Last week telecon
    minutes: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1 to accept
    minutes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: to
    accept the minutes of 2009-09-30</strong></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> i have reworked the use
    case and req documents</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. UC &amp; Requirements doc</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTIOn-116?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-116 -- Davy
    Van Deursen to davy And Erik to review UC &amp; Requirements
    document before pub -- due 2009-10-07 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/116">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/116</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-105?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-105 --
    Raphaël Troncy to address all comments and write a reply to
    MAWG -- due 2009-09-16 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/105">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/105</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-106?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-106 --
    Raphaël Troncy to draft a paragraph explaining upfront in the
    document why we are doing that ... justification for the MPEG
    community -- due 2009-09-16 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/106">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/106</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close action-116</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-116 Davy
    And Erik to review UC &amp; Requirements document before pub
    closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>close action-105</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-105 Address
    all comments and write a reply to MAWG closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>close action-106</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-106 Draft a
    paragraph explaining upfront in the document why we are doing
    that ... justification for the MPEG community closed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Some unanswered
    questions: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Werner suggests we
    don't use the term "Mask"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; continuous view?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; "continous part"?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Replace "mask" by a
    "single segment"</p>

    <p class='phone'>jackjansen, just add a statement that we don't
    want holes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: we don't want
    holes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> section 3.1 figure
    explains context, but the last row "example image track"
    illustrates that we can take a blob of an image, but the text
    doesn't consider this</p>

    <p class='phone'>raphael, case, eg. spatial regions of
    images</p>

    <p class='phone'>phillip suggested we specify that we also
    support spatial ranges</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> what is the difference
    (from our point of view) between text and image track?</p>

    <p class='phone'>i think the overlapping content is the main
    thing</p>

    <p class='phone'>so for temporal addressing there can be
    multiple text elements which match a temporal region</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> for this draft perhaps we
    should only specify audio+video</p>

    <p class='phone'>and chasing dependencies of previous text
    elements (ie. working out which are active now) can be more
    difficult than eg. video keyframes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we should publish,
    including these minor changes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> editorial note by silvia is
    a question to the reader<br />
    ... editorial note by dave singer, needs to be addressed (sec
    3.12)?</p>

    <p class='phone'>"The fallback plan needs to be clarified. We
    must be able to handle the way the # is already used, e.g. in
    YouTube, without breaking what is already working."</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> the wg. has discussed
    that we need to be backwards-compatible with existing
    implementations as much as possible</p>

    <p class='phone'>eg. youtube syntax, and we are still
    discussing what the behaviour should be</p>

    <p class='phone'>so is the vague phrasing of compatibility with
    "widely implemented solutions" enough?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we have already
    discussed that eg. the youtube way could be a different syntax
    we specify, with explicity hms</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> ok then we should add a
    sentence about that, and a note to suggest that parsers
    recognize foreign syntax and stay away from it<br />
    ... so if we draft a paragraph and send it to dave, see what he
    thinks</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> ok, but also that is not
    blocking the publication of documents</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Proposed to publish documents currently staged
    at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for
    publication</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: to
    publish documents currently staged at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></strong></p>

    <p class='phone'>3. specification</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. Specification</h3>

    <p class='phone'>action-117?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-117 --
    Raphaël Troncy to review Silvia's summary of her blogpost, i.e.
    the Section 3 of the spec -- due 2009-10-07 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/117">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/117</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> no progress on 117 and
    112, pending comments by silvia</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: suggest to
    postpone decision on publishing this doc to next week</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> after 117 and 112 are
    complete, we can think about publishing the documents, as they
    don't currently reflect the progress we have made</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. Test Cases</h3>

    <p class='phone'>all actions on test cases are pending</p>

    <p class='phone'>jackjansen, please notify the mailing list
    when spec changes are made</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> we should implement cvs
    commit emails etc. etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; conrad: yes, but we
    won't have access to the cvs management box, I don't hink</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; Yves would know if
    that was possible</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; I second
    silvia's proposal</p>

    <p class='phone'>usually there is a separate mailing list for
    cvs-commits, and a post-hook added to cvs to mail commit
    details to that list</p>

    <p class='phone'>eg. media-fragment-notifications or something
    like that</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to request admins to set up a cvs
    notifications mailing list and notifications [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-119
    - Request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and
    notifications [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-10-14].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Silvia, it just
    meant we agree on your comment today that the spec doc is not
    yet ready for publication</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... but it is
    pending on my actions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... when they are
    done, I think the missing sections will be here and the
    document publishable</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> AOB?</p>

    <h3 id="item05">7. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> AOB?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; raphael: I agree
    :)</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to request
  admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and
  notifications [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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