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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>11 Mar 2009</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>raphael, mhausenblas, +31.20.592.aaaa, jackjansen,
Thierry, +61.2.801.2.aabb, davy, nessy, erik, Yves,
+06128012aacc</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Conrad</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Jack</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2. PREPARATION OF WORKING
DRAFT</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">2.2 use cases</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">2.4 http implementation</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">3. issues</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">5. AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 11 March
2009</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> yves, are joi
joining?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Jack</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> scribenick:
jackjansen</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> accept the minutes:
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html</a>
?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> agenda: <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> accepted</p>
<p class='phone'>resolved: 44</p>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION:
44</strong></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-44</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-44 Take
care of zakim bridge for F2F closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> next issue: meeting at
TPAC or not? Maybe we don't want to fly there in November, too
expensive?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I probably won't make
it</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> annotations WG probably
will meet</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> suggests we meet at a
cheaper place. Hotels in California are more expensive, and
there's a fee too.<br />
... next topic: teleconf time. Heads up that next weeks
teleconf is an hour early too.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> back to f2f: maybe I can
arrange something through csiro?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> lets postpone discussion
to Barcelona. For now main point is meeting at TPAC or not (to
meet other groups)</p>
<h3 id="item02">2. PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> some people seem to have
CVS problems.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> yes, I do.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> various people have no
problems.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I have also sent an
email to the system about checking in documents</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> Erik: still problem
(probably authentication issue)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> where is the
document?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> overview.html</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> html does not match xml.
Needs to be processed by stylesheet.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thierry has filled
the section 3, I will checked it in</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> cvs up should give you
updated documents<br />
... back to syntax.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> The questionaire.<br />
... Everyone happy with segment, which has the majority?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-45</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-45 Erik And
Raphael to set up a questionnaire to find a name for the top
level Media Fragment production rule closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> does this also change the
other production names?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I think so. xxxfragment
becomes xxxsegment for any xxx.<br />
... Action 46 is ongoing.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> had no time to work on it.
In another f2f.</p>
<h3 id="item03">2.2 use cases</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> working on it, seems ok
so far.</p>
<p class='phone'>Topic 2.3: existing technology.</p>
<p class='phone'>s/Topic 2.3: Topic: 2.3</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> only need to do
copying.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-23</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-23
(together with Jean-Pierre) to add TV-Anytime also to Existing
Technologies Survey closed</p>
<h3 id="item04">2.4 http implementation</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> need to use real media.
Jack suggests using prerecorded video from Nice<br />
... Does current text capture intention?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> think so, need to check</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> me too</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> need to fill pro+con
section, especially caching.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: suggest to
flip the examples ... 4-ways handshake is better equiped to
have different ranges</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... while the
2-ways handshakes might return exactly what the UA has
requested, and the UA will need to do an extra clipping</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yves: multi mime
answer?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: we do
continuous segments or not?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: see the
issue page <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I want to reopen the
discussion on 2way 4way<br />
... maybe at next f2f.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: agree to
make it a major topic of our next telecon</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> not reopen, more like
clarify.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> btw: <a href=
"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Silvia, can you write an
email with your comments?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> better to have everyone
read it, and discuss it in 2 weeks time</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> will miss next week:
product lunch<br />
... (OR LAUNCH??)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> yeah, product launch
:)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Yves, what is the url
you posted above?</p>
<p class='phone'>(offtopic: too bad, lunch seems more fun)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> it's mandatory reading
for everyone.</p>
<h3 id="item05">3. issues</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> do we need to update
mimetype registrations?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> not necessary for first
draft. I haven't done anything yet, but please keep it
open.<br />
... will come with proposal after talking to various
people.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for Michael</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok, should we keep it on
agenda?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> don't care</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> on to issue 4. Track
names.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I'm both pro and con,
actually.<br />
... con because its up to the containerr<br />
... pro because it's handy from user pov</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: I'm also pro
and con</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... I'm against it
at this point in time</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... I'm afraid we
standardize it incorrectly</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... we are going
more in the metadata field</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: agree, we
might need more expertise and postpone that later</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: I suggest we
study it more, particularly the WAI</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: should we
try to invite some of them in a telecon?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I'll put it on the
agenda for the next cross-wg teleconf with them<br />
... but after first working draft.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: yes, but put
a paragraph explaining the rationale in the WD</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<h3 id="item06">5. AOB</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> nothing on
implementation. AOB?<br />
... Nothing? Ok.<br />
... Everyone needs to read http document.<br />
... Also: everyone take care we copy all info to wd.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> asks Yves to give
occasional updates on httpbis</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> info is publicly available
in minutes.</p>
<p class='phone'>raphael, are you doing the magic?</p>
<p class='phone'>Ah, yves does.</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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