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  <body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
          border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>MAGW</h1><h2>23 Sep
        2008</h2><p><a
        href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0041.html">
      Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-irc">IRC
        log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
      <dl>
        <dt>Present</dt>
        <dd>tobias, davy, raphael(IRC), felix, Véronique, Daniel, Werner, Hui, Erik, Frank</dd>
        <dt>Regrets</dt>
        <dt>Chair</dt>
        <dd>Daniel</dd>
        <dt>Scribe</dt>
        <dd>Felix</dd>
      </dl>
    </div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
      <li>
        <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
        <ol>
          <li><a href="#item01">agenda review</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item02">Agenda review / approval of previous minutes</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item03">Selection of scribe for next meeting</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item04">Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item05">Call for co-chair</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item06">Action items</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item07">Editing</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item08">Open issues</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item09">wrap up</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item10">AOB</a></li>
        </ol></li>
      <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
    </ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; agenda: <a
          href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/att-0041/00-part"
          >
        http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/att-0041/00-part</a></p><h3
        id="item01">agenda review</h3><p class="phone">Daniel reviews the agenda</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>daniel:</cite> no need to go through all open issue, we can go through them briefly
        and continue discussion via mail</p><h3 id="item02">Agenda review / approval of previous
        minutes</h3><p class="phone"><a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p><p class="phone"><strong
          class="resolution">RESOLUTION: minutes approved</strong></p><h3 id="item03">Selection of
        scribe for next meeting</h3><p class="phone">next scribe will be Hui</p><h3 id="item04"
        >Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time</h3><p class="phone"
          ><cite>Daniel:</cite> we will have an alternating schedule, see upcoming calls at <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin</a><br/> ... at TPAC, we will have a
        joint meeting with PLING IG<br/> ... in Belgium we will have a joint meeting with media
        fragment WG</p><h3 id="item05">Call for co-chair</h3><p class="phone">no update for
        now</p><h3 id="item06">Action items</h3><p class="phone"><a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p><p class="phone"
        >close ACTION-1</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-1 Book the bridge for
        the weekly telecon closed</p><p class="phone">close ACTION-2</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-2 Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors
        closed</p><p class="phone">close ACTION-3</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt;
        ACTION-3 Prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. closed</p><p
        class="phone">close ACTION-4</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-4 Pull
        out requirements of one standard (to be decided which), AI also for Erik closed</p><p
        class="phone">Veronique had sent information on IPTC, and we will not keep this general
        action item</p><h3 id="item07">Editing</h3><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I
        could also participate in editing, but I have very few experience with this...</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> I can edit later</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite>
        we will be a team</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> every editor will edit each
        deliverable</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>hmiao</cite>&gt; i would like to join editing,
        though i've little experience.</p><p class="phone"><a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; Hui and tobias are volunteers for editing team as of
        today</p><h3 id="item08">Open issues</h3><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; There
        is an open questionnaire regarding the formats in scope and out of scope, could we keep it
        open one more week ?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>hmiao</cite>&gt; anyone mension the youtube
        like video yet ?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>hmiao</cite>&gt; it'll be an important format
        for our application</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> propose that we go through the
        issues until next teleconference via mail, and try to wrap them up during that call, and
        work on the editors draft just after that</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt;
        would it make sense to link the use cases with requirements lists more specifically?</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; Raphael, yes, we will open for all of open issue
        until next telecon</p><a name="action01" id="action01"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week [recorded in
          <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-5 - Extend \"formats ... scope\" for one
        more week [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-30].</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; this might hep us getting a list of requirements?</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; maybe we can make a short list of the use cases,
        just by their names?</p><p class="phone">Use case "Services by using an unified media
        annotation"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; yes</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="phone">Use case "Video on IPTV" -
        should that be merged into another use case?</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; yes</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt;
        yes, merge with services</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="phone">Requirement "Covering
        variations across locales"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; it's requirements,
        yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; yes, it's maybe related to adaptation use
        case?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; or to interoperability?</p><p
        class="phone">Use case "Audiovisual archive as a Cultural Heritage institution"</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt;
        yes, as mentioned on the list it might be broad and could be more concrete</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="phone"><cite>veronique:</cite> well, it
        was more a general view than a specific usecase, but can be splitted into searching and
        interoperability</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt;
        yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="phone">Use case "Metadata to help
        promoting safe environments"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; can be
        related to personalisation, to some extent?</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> should
        it be a separate use case? Or</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; agree to relate
        it to other uc</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> be related to something else</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; we could also merge it with the services use
        case...</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; agree to relate it</p><p class="phone"
        >Use case "Multi media and semantic web technologies"</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; This is too broad I guess and not meant as a use case.
        Yes - please drop it</p><p class="phone">drop this since it is too broad?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt;
        agreed</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; agree</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="phone">Use case "Photo" - should
        we take this into account?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Does the charter
        talk only about videos ?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; has this not be
        covered by the XG?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; isn't it related to
        Multimedia Annotation XG ?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; Image
        annotation I mean</p><p class="phone"><a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; No, the role of the XG was not to promote a particular
        schema or ontology for describing media</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; yes,
        but somehow it'orthogonal: media types vs application like searc etc</p><p class="phone"
        >"This Group is chartered to provide a simple ontology to support cross-community data
        integration of information related to media objects on the Web, as well as an API to access
        the information."</p><p class="phone">(from the charter)</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... but rather to investigate how SW technologies help to
        build bridges between exixting formats and standards</p><p class="phone"
        ><cite>daniel:</cite> our homepage talks about video, audio and images</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; Video/Audio/Images</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... so my conclusion is, there is still a lot to do to make
        the DC for photos, or videos</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; +1,
        Raphael. Agree.</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p><p class="phone">Use case
        "music" - should we take this into account?</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> not
        sure</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Same conclusion, the
        pseudo-formalization of the ID3 tags using the Music Ontology is interesting and might be a
        good start up</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> "same conclusion" means: valid use
        case?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; not sure either, lots of very
        specific issues would then be taken into account</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; ok to Raphael</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; but music ontology is quite specific, we should stay on a more
        generic level</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yes, valid use case, I think
        ... in the sense that your title property would be likely to be used for a title of a movie
        or a song</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... and a link to the ID3 title is
        a good thing, etc.</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; agree for the music
        ontology, I'm talking about reusing some elements ... and link to some others</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> sounds like a valid use case but on a very general
        level</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; providing means for linking seems to be
        a good idea</p><p class="phone">Use case "News"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt;
        yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; I see the outcome of this group as a core schema, with a lot
        of open windows to standards, with explicit semantics</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; that's a very complex and very interesting use case! Vote
        for yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; News: not in the state that it is
        described in the XG document .. but yes in the general sense</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; yes, i see the same thing as for music: avoid getting too
        specific</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="phone">Use case
        "Tagging"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; in what sense?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; tagging for what ?</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; as values for a schema?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; or instead of it?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; what it was about: "The tagging use case which tackles
        the problem of interoperability and portability of tagging systems and personal tags."</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Goal of the XG was to allow reusing a personomy
        between various platforms</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... example: you
        use the same flickr tags on delicious</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; merge
        it with interop?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... you own your tags,
        defined in SKOS, and you can search cross-platform</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; in that case, makes sense</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; if you define them</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... each tags has a global URI and is formally defined</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> maybe we will not be able to solve that interoperabiltiy
        problem, only on a very high level of the ontology, and leave the rest to other fora</p><p
        class="phone">Use case "semantic media analysis"</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> too
        general - close that?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; agree</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; agree</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; I guess we should take some aspects into
        accout...</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; agree, analysis is done for search,
        adaptation ,...</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; ...like links between
        modalities</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; like semiotic relations between
        speech and image in a video?</p><p class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> how text can support
        the analsys of media. This use case is about references between text and parts of the
        image</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> do you think the relations should be typed and
        part of the ontology?</p><p class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> yes</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>felix:</cite> let's discuss this via mail</p><p class="phone">Use case "algorithm
        representation"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; drop</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; drop</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> out of
        scope - drop it?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; yes</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; agree to
        drop it</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; yes</p><h3 id="item09">wrap up</h3><p
        class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> please check <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;short_desc=&amp;product=Media+Annotations+WG&amp;long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;long_desc=&amp;bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;bug_file_loc=&amp;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&amp;status_whiteboard=&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;keywords=&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;emailtype1"
          >
          http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;short_desc=&amp;product=Media+Annotations+WG&amp;long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;long_desc=&amp;bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;bug_file_loc=&amp;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&amp;status_whiteboard=&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;keywords=&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;emailtype1</a></p><p
        class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> and make discussion on the list</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; is next week telecon changing hour ?</p><p class="phone"
        >yes, see schedule at <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin</a></p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ok, it has been approved ?</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; 21 UTC</p><p class="phone">raphael, yes</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ok, thanks, I can make it :-)</p><h3 id="item10">AOB</h3><p
        class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> can I participate in TPAC f2f via phone?</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> yes, we have a bridge for both days</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; any issues today ?</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; Raphael, is that ok for you ? we will adjourn today call</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; yes, thanks !</p><p class="phone">many thanks,
        spark3!</p></div><h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
    Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/> &nbsp;<br/> [End of
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