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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>08 Dec 2010</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0010.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Erik, Davy, Raphael, Yves, foolip_(irc)</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Silvia</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Davy</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">HTML5 BUG</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">LC COMMENTS</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">OPEN ISSUES</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">TEST CASES</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">AOB</a></li>
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</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 08 December
2010</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Davy</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> scribenick:
davy</p>
<h3 id="item01">ADMIN</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>minutes accepted</p>
<h3 id="item02">MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> action 199 and 200 will
be finished today<br />
... related to issue-19<br />
... mail will be sent out today</p>
<p class='phone'>Action-191?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-191 -- Yves
Lafon to update the production rules of the time dimension with
the npt format for making the hours optional -- due 2010-11-08
-- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> did the code, I'm working
on the spec right now</p>
<h3 id="item03">HTML5 BUG</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-202?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-202 --
Silvia Pfeiffer to draft the paragraph that the group will
propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment
URI should be done -- due 2010-12-01 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> See text at
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0009.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0009.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: do you
have comments on this text?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... my only comment
is whether we should further detail how temporal media
fragments can work, with our without server help</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> .. depending on the
container format</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... should we go
into this level of details</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: when no
controls are specified in <video></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> ... the rendering is
like the ?-approach</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: is the text
of silvia sufficient?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> ... and reopen the
bug with this text</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> Yves: nothing against
it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> close action-202</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-202 Draft
the paragraph that the group will propose to HTML5 regarding
how the control of media fragment URI should be done
closed</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to send the MF clarification
text to the HTML mailinglist [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-205
- Send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist [on
Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-12-15].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: both
whatwh and w3c mailing lists</p><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to reopen the MF bug in the
HTML5 bug tracker [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-206
- Reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker [on Raphaël Troncy
- due 2010-12-15].</p>
<h3 id="item04">LC COMMENTS</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: action 196
will be done today</p>
<h3 id="item05">OPEN ISSUES</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> close action-191</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-191 Update
the production rules of the time dimension with the npt format
for making the hours optional closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> List of open
issues: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> done</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: Issue-19 is
taken care of</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: difference
between issue-13 and 20?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> no difference ->
close issue 13</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> close ISSUE-13</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-13 Write a
IETF draft for proposing how to register the fragment scheme
for all media types closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> issue-18?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-18 -- RTSP
processing of Media Fragments URI -- open</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: should we
include this in the spec or not?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> yves: if we do that,
we probably need another LC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: alternative
could be putting this into an annex</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> ... informative
status</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> Yves: better would be
in another document (a note)</p><a name="action03" id=
"action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to setup a poll regarding the
fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate note [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-207
- Setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed
in a separate note [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> Issue-17?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-17 -- Media
Fragment track names and IRIs -- open</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> Yves: or we close it
because we don't know how to handle IRIs</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> ... or we continue
discussions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> reading the thread
starting at <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: I18N
recommends us to use IRI as reference</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Key message:
<a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0153.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0153.html</a></p><a name="action04"
id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to ask today who will make it
to the teleconf next week [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-208
- Ask today who will make it to the teleconf next week [on
Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> close action-208</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-208 Ask
today who will make it to the teleconf next week closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: both Erik
and Davy cannot make next week telecon</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: we will
organize early in January a teleconf with everybody, joined by
Addison Philips</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> Issue-10?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-10 -- Media
Fragments Test Case Maintenance -- open</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: related to
test cases</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> issue-9?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-9 -- Should
we have the media type inside the Test Cases? -- open</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: also related
to test cases, we can ignore them for transitioning</p>
<h3 id="item06">TEST CASES</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> Action-167?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-167 -- Erik
Mannens to find licence free movies for the automatic test
suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative
commons -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> raphael: fine to use
elephants dream and big bug bunny sequences</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> ... so we can use
these media resources in our demos and examples in the spec</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Movies to use:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Sintel, <a href=
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... longer version,
<a href=
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Big Bunny, <a href=
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> The Elephant
Dreams</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> close action-167</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-167 Find
licence free movies for the automatic test suite ... starting
with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> action-168?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-168 -- Davy
Van Deursen to investigate how the automatic test suite could
also be done for evaluating the UA behavior -- due 2010-06-02
-- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168</a></p>
<h3 id="item07">AOB</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael:
presentation of test cases handling by Davy during the face to
face meeting, <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2f_lyon/">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2f_lyon/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: we have an
exhaustive list of test cases for the time dimension on the
wiki</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... which has been
reviewed by Conrad, Silvia, Jack and Philip</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Davy: I'm happy to
convert the information in the wiki into a RDF file</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... this RDF file
can then be the input of our test validation framework</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> close action-168</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-168
Investigate how the automatic test suite could also be done for
evaluating the UA behavior closed</p><a name="action05" id=
"action05"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to
an RDF version [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-209
- Convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version [on Davy Van
Deursen - due 2010-12-15].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy_</cite>> [adjourned]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> s/<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension//">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension//</a></p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to convert
TCs from the wiki to an RDF version [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to send
the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to ask
today who will make it to the teleconf next week [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to reopen
the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to setup a
poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate
note [recorded in <a href=
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