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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>25 Nov 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>+0329331aaaa, +1.403.516.aabb, jackjansen, conrad,
mhausenblas, +61.2.801.2.aacc, silvia, erik, Jack,
Michael</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>erik</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>jackjansen</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1 admin</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2 - short name issue</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">3.2 HTTP</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">3.3 - track and id handling</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">3.4 discovery of track and named
fragments</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 25 November
2009</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe:
jackjansen</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick:
jackjansen</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/CheatSheet">http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/CheatSheet</a></p>
<h3 id="item01">1 admin</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> accept minutes <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> yes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> accept minutes <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> yes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> Michael, will you be able
to go to Seoul?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> no, other obligation</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> will get back to the f2f
issue next week<br />
... on action-92, postponed until spec is out<br />
... philippe said publication would be ok today or tomorrow. We
wait.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> what do you all think of
current state of the spec?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> comment on section 5
needs addressing</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> wants to think about
forward compatibility.<br />
... forward compatibility is tricky: should have a way whereby
newer implementations can retroactively<br />
... tell older implementations to fail or ignore new
feature</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> michael, did Yves suggest
we need an implementation?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> right<br />
... let's address in the next draft</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>conrad:</cite> yes, publish now</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> how many implementations do
we have? Ours<br />
... yves has one</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> mine is rusty. Will brush
up in coming few weeks.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> silvia? conrad?
implementations?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>conrad:</cite> have uri handling, not
full syntax yet. In the next few months.<br />
... will work with silvia and ogg community</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> we have server-side
implementation.<br />
... is up for testing, will post url.</p><a name="action01" id=
"action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> erik to get URL for MF server, and
post to group [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-120
- Get URL for MF server, and post to group [on Erik Mannens -
due 2009-12-02].</p>
<h3 id="item02">2 - short name issue</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> should we omit -spec?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> I have client side
implementation with HTML5</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> so we use short name
for spec, and add suffices for aux documents</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> yes.</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION on Raphael to fix document names</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - on</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION Raphaël to fix document names</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-121
- Fix document names [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2009-12-02].</p>
<p class='phone'>TOPIC 3.1 media fragment syntax</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> lets keep for next week</p>
<h3 id="item03">3.2 HTTP</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> again, let's table</p>
<h3 id="item04">3.3 - track and id handling</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> COnrads proposal, <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Server-parsed_Fragments">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Server-parsed_Fragments</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> need to wait on section 5
to be done.<br />
... may jump in myself.<br />
... Raphaël was working on section 3, don't think on 5
yet<br />
... I will coordinate with him if I also start to edit.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> I will ping Raphaël.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> we are missing all our
publishing windows.<br />
... and section 5 really needs work before publishing, to
reflect changes to 3.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> should we really wait
until 5 is complete?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> yes, it contradicts 3 at
the moment, I will look over it.<br />
... three sections in section 3 have no counterpart in section
5<br />
... must be fixed.<br />
... cannot publish now, action-112 needs to be fixed.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> silvia, can you take
this offline with Raphaël?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> I will call Raphaël today,
tell that Silvia does not want to publish until action-112
and<br />
... section 5 issues are resolved.<br />
... I will send an email tonight on what the status is.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> if it is needed I can put
in time this weekend.</p>
<h3 id="item05">3.4 discovery of track and named fragments</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> I wrote about this in my
blog.</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/11/25/manifests-exposing-structure-of-a-composite-media-resource/">
http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/11/25/manifests-exposing-structure-of-a-composite-media-resource/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> rssagent, draft
minutes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> not sure if the blog post
doesn't need to be split into two: mechanism (roe, mpeg-21)
versus<br />
... application (semantics)<br />
... thinks only mechanism is relevant to MF<br />
... will try to write something up.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> will get back to it next
week.<br />
... Let's adjourn.</p>
<p class='phone'>ok.</p>
<p class='phone'>see you next week!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> hm, seems Zakim
didn't pick up the attendees</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> erik to get URL
for MF server, and post to group [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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