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  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>11 Mar 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
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      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>raphael, mhausenblas, +31.20.592.aaaa, jackjansen,
      Thierry, +61.2.801.2.aabb, davy, nessy, erik, Yves,
      +06128012aacc</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Conrad</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Jack</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. PREPARATION OF WORKING
        DRAFT</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">2.2 use cases</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">2.4 http implementation</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">3. issues</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">5. AOB</a></li>
      </ol>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 11 March
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; yves, are joi
    joining?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Scribe: Jack</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    jackjansen</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; accept the minutes:
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html</a>
    ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; agenda: <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> accepted</p>

    <p class='phone'>resolved: 44</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION:
    44</strong></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; close ACTION-44</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-44 Take
    care of zakim bridge for F2F closed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> next issue: meeting at
    TPAC or not? Maybe we don't want to fly there in November, too
    expensive?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I probably won't make
    it</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> annotations WG probably
    will meet</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> suggests we meet at a
    cheaper place. Hotels in California are more expensive, and
    there's a fee too.<br />
    ... next topic: teleconf time. Heads up that next weeks
    teleconf is an hour early too.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> back to f2f: maybe I can
    arrange something through csiro?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> lets postpone discussion
    to Barcelona. For now main point is meeting at TPAC or not (to
    meet other groups)</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> some people seem to have
    CVS problems.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> yes, I do.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> various people have no
    problems.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; I have also sent an
    email to the system about checking in documents</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; Erik: still problem
    (probably authentication issue)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> where is the
    document?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> overview.html</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> html does not match xml.
    Needs to be processed by stylesheet.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Thierry has filled
    the section 3, I will checked it in</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> cvs up should give you
    updated documents<br />
    ... back to syntax.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> The questionaire.<br />
    ... Everyone happy with segment, which has the majority?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; close ACTION-45</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-45 Erik And
    Raphael to set up a questionnaire to find a name for the top
    level Media Fragment production rule closed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> does this also change the
    other production names?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I think so. xxxfragment
    becomes xxxsegment for any xxx.<br />
    ... Action 46 is ongoing.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> had no time to work on it.
    In another f2f.</p>

    <h3 id="item03">2.2 use cases</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> working on it, seems ok
    so far.</p>

    <p class='phone'>Topic 2.3: existing technology.</p>

    <p class='phone'>s/Topic 2.3: Topic: 2.3</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> only need to do
    copying.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; close ACTION-23</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-23
    (together with Jean-Pierre) to add TV-Anytime also to Existing
    Technologies Survey closed</p>

    <h3 id="item04">2.4 http implementation</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> need to use real media.
    Jack suggests using prerecorded video from Nice<br />
    ... Does current text capture intention?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> think so, need to check</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> me too</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> need to fill pro+con
    section, especially caching.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: suggest to
    flip the examples ... 4-ways handshake is better equiped to
    have different ranges</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... while the
    2-ways handshakes might return exactly what the UA has
    requested, and the UA will need to do an extra clipping</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yves: multi mime
    answer?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: we do
    continuous segments or not?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: see the
    issue page <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I want to reopen the
    discussion on 2way 4way<br />
    ... maybe at next f2f.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: agree to
    make it a major topic of our next telecon</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> not reopen, more like
    clarify.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; btw: <a href=
    "http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Silvia, can you write an
    email with your comments?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> better to have everyone
    read it, and discuss it in 2 weeks time</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> will miss next week:
    product lunch<br />
    ... (OR LAUNCH??)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; yeah, product launch
    :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Yves, what is the url
    you posted above?</p>

    <p class='phone'>(offtopic: too bad, lunch seems more fun)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> it's mandatory reading
    for everyone.</p>

    <h3 id="item05">3. issues</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> do we need to update
    mimetype registrations?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> not necessary for first
    draft. I haven't done anything yet, but please keep it
    open.<br />
    ... will come with proposal after talking to various
    people.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for Michael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok, should we keep it on
    agenda?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> don't care</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> on to issue 4. Track
    names.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I'm both pro and con,
    actually.<br />
    ... con because its up to the containerr<br />
    ... pro because it's handy from user pov</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: I'm also pro
    and con</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... I'm against it
    at this point in time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... I'm afraid we
    standardize it incorrectly</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... we are going
    more in the metadata field</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: agree, we
    might need more expertise and postpone that later</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: I suggest we
    study it more, particularly the WAI</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: should we
    try to invite some of them in a telecon?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I'll put it on the
    agenda for the next cross-wg teleconf with them<br />
    ... but after first working draft.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: yes, but put
    a paragraph explaining the rationale in the WD</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>nessy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <h3 id="item06">5. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> nothing on
    implementation. AOB?<br />
    ... Nothing? Ok.<br />
    ... Everyone needs to read http document.<br />
    ... Also: everyone take care we copy all info to wd.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> asks Yves to give
    occasional updates on httpbis</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> info is publicly available
    in minutes.</p>

    <p class='phone'>raphael, are you doing the magic?</p>

    <p class='phone'>Ah, yves does.</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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