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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>27 Jan 2009</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0065.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>pchampin, Thierry, wbailer, raphael, joakim, veronique,
tobias, wonsuk, victor, thierry, werner, rapahel</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Frank, Felix, Michel_Jean_Pierre</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>SV_MEETING_CHAIR</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>joakim</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Actions points</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 27 January
2009</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thierry, I muted
you, you made a lot of noise :-(</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I get a terrible
BUZZZZZZ</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> thierry, are you
skyping?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> No I am using a
phone over IP, but I can't hear a thing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I will redial
in</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> It is much better
now</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> We have regrets
from Felix,</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Michele Minno
,Jean-Pierre</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Looking for a
vulunteer to scribe ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Scribe:joakim</p>
<p class='phone'>co-chair Daniel will be back soon</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> There was a meeting
?</p>
<p class='phone'>Last week telecom meetings are not on the
web</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> There was a
meeting, and the minutes are at <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> The scribe should
send the minutes with the URI</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> The Media Fragments
WG keep the minutes in the same web space, but remove the
'draft' when the minutes have been fixed and approved</p>
<h3 id="item01">Actions points</h3>
<p class='phone'>The Scribe should mail the edited minutes to
the public mail list</p>
<p class='phone'>Should we include Victor's contribution
"Multimedia Presentation material" to the uc document?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Is it <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0049.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0049.html</a>
?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> Action 55 was
attended here:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - 55</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/att-0049/00-part">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/att-0049/00-part</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> We got no comments
on the email</p>
<p class='phone'>who has read the document, and has an
opinion?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> it's important, but maybe
it should hold cross all use cases?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> Does any other Use
Case support Requirement 7?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> I think that it
is a very interesting topic but i think that it is mostly
related to the ongoing question of considering complex/simple
models, maybe the latter question should be answered first?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Victor:</cite> Is it possible to change
an existing use case and include no / into that one?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> The UC7 could be
incorporated into cultural heritage UC!</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> agree to including
it in CH use case, maybe also in MM adaptation (if we make a
use case out of that)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> This is related to the
question of the complexity of the model</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I also think this
text should go in the CH use case</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Victor:</cite> Add a sentence to the CH
description</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> By changing the last
paragraph....</p>
<p class='phone'>Action 55 is now about reformulating th CH
description</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - 55</p>
<p class='phone'>regret+ tobias</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> good job Werner,
Frank :-)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> many mpeg-7 properties
could be mapped to XMP, but some are not covered in XMP</p>
<p class='phone'>We discuss later how to alter the mapping
agenda</p>
<p class='phone'>close 74</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-74</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-74 Review
SMPTE closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-73</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-73 review
with werner MPEG-7 closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0061.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0061.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> done already</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> has been done
already the last time</p>
<p class='phone'>Pierre Antoine: The DC/DCTerm disucssuion is
open on the mailinglist</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> Don't agree that the main
question is about the API</p>
<p class='phone'>can you speak louder?</p>
<p class='phone'>better</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> We should also define the low
level meaning of the propoerties, not only the high level
semantics</p>
<p class='phone'>cant hear</p>
<p class='phone'>How can we define the low level mapping?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I do see some
problems to have discrepancies between having on one hand a
lightweight semantics for the creator property (accept string
value) in the API and on the other hand another semantics for
the same property (URI value) in the ontology</p>
<p class='phone'>we could define the target of the properties
precisely</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> how could that be
done ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> we should have an Ontology
that define this</p>
<p class='phone'>Can raphael explain his point?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Zakim ??P18 is
me</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Should it be two
different return values</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> If we map according to the
mapping table, it would return very hetrogenus values<br />
... Prefer to be more formal in the Ontology</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> but I agree that
we could also be formal only at the API level</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> we could be practical
doing toy applications and decide after how to cope with the
proble,</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> agrees that we should be
practical as soon as possible</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> based on what?</p>
<p class='phone'>PA. we should aim at making an intermediate
representation</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> We should have a more precise
idea of the global structure of the API</p>
<p class='phone'>We should have a common view of the complexity
level before implmenting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> we can also have
different levels of complexity of the representations, domain
dependant?</p>
<p class='phone'>Does any one have a suggestion on how to move
on?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> DC and VRA and
XMP exist in RDF, then we can use rdf-ways of representing
mappings</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> We can use the level
of mapping/link representation found in existing
implmentations</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> the level is different in
different implementations<br />
... Maybe to propose some example code for each case</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> divide the problem per use
case<br />
... it should work whatever the format</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: does it
mean then that implementation = 1/ (python/java/pick_yours)
code expressing mappings between some properties ; 2/
(owl/skos) code expressing mappings between some properties,
etc. ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> the code doesnt have to
represent the mapping<br />
... the mapping should be hidden</p>
<p class='phone'>Either a mapping relationship or an
ontology</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> but the mapping
itself has to be represented</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> or ... being not
exclusive, it could be both :-)</p>
<p class='phone'>the mapping should be hidden to the
developer</p>
<p class='phone'>agree</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> Was thinking about writing
code showing how to use our API<br />
... Write code that illustrates how to use our API</p>
<p class='phone'>can PA start to draft a use case?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ok</p>
<p class='phone'>we did not have time to finish the agenda</p>
<p class='phone'>our first public document was published last
monday</p>
<p class='phone'>we have telecon next week same time</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Victor:</cite> Will attend the MPEG
meeting next week</p>
<p class='phone'>respond to Victors PPT before the end of the
week</p>
<p class='phone'>we should start to collect updates for the UC
doc</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> ok</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> goodbye!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Tobias: regarding
action-66: sent it to the list already on the 19th</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> ciao!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> i was also
attendee!</p>
<p class='phone'>@+</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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