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  <h1>W3C Media Fragments WG Telecon - 29/04/2009 12:00 UTC</h1>

  <h2>29 Apr 2009</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0146.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Michael, Erik, Yves, Raphael, Silvia</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Conrad, Davy</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>raphael</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1/ ADMIN</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. UC &amp; Requirements</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. Specification</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. Test Cases</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">5. Issues</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">6. AOB</a></li>
      </ol>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; Zakim mute me</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1/ ADMIN</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Proposed to accept te minutes of April 8,
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>Propose to accept the minutes of the f2f
    meeting: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediafrag-minutes.html</a>
    and <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: all
    minutes approved</strong></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; mhausenblas, you
    wanted to comment on ACTION-65</p>

    <p class='phone'>Next f2f meeting in September, possibly in
    Amsterdam, on 17-18/09</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. UC &amp; Requirements</h3>

    <p class='phone'>I have re-issued the transition request</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> I'm waiting for
    Philippe's yes<br />
    ... before splitting the document and advertizing the other
    groups to review our document</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTON-51</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION-51</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-51
    Summarize the content of the wiki page to put in the main
    document, with few examples and a short story closed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; done just before the
    F2F meeting</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. Specification</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> will do my action in the
    next 2 weeks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; mhausenblas, you
    wanted to comment on structure of the WD</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> regarding action-67, I will
    provide an example</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I want to talk about
    action-64<br />
    ... I want to change the structure of this sub-section, this is
    the processing model<br />
    ... and discuss what's happen on the UA side, and on the server
    side</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> +1 for Michael's
    suggestion for the next iteration of the WD</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; so the suggestion is
    to rename 6.4 to Processing?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1 for next
    iteration</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; 6.4 -&gt;
    Interpretation and Processing of MF</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; good, like it</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> but not talk about
    semantics</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; 6.4.1
    Overview</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; 6.4.2 UA
    view</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; 6.4.3
    Server</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Conrad:</cite> I hope to complete my
    actions 63 and 69 later this week</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; Michael:
    thanks, will do after splitting of docs</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. Test Cases</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesOverview">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesOverview</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Actual test cases: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I motivated first the
    need for test cases<br />
    ... I then provided examples of test cases, these need to be
    approved</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html">
    TC setup</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Email and issues from Michael: <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> no value means by
    default for the temporal dimension the start time (end time) of
    the resource</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> empty is different than not
    present ... i.e. sometimes, the dimension is not present,
    sometimes we have the default value</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> please, review the Test
    Cases, edit the wiki, mail the mailing list<br />
    ... the intention is to go away from the wiki asap<br />
    ... since it is really painful</p>

    <h3 id="item05">5. Issues</h3>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-3?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-3 -- Does
    our MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type
    registrations? -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> good news, no IANA
    registries for fragments on media mime types</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to contact the editors of MPEG-21
    Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-76
    - Contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry
    of their scheme [on Erik Mannens - due 2009-05-06].</p>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-4?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-4 -- Should
    we pre-define some track names? -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/4">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/4</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I still think we need to
    pre-define some track names<br />
    ... I will wait for Conrad's action<br />
    ... not sure I understant it</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-7?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-7 -- Yves
    Lafon to request a new time slot on the Zakim bridge -- due
    2008-10-28 -- CLOSED</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/7">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/7</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-7?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-7 -- User
    Agent Media Fragment Resolution and Processing -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/7">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/7</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I have finally
    understood this issue, this is the UA point of view of what's
    hapening</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> regarding the step
    2<br />
    ... I'm referring to Common User Agent Problems</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; foo#bar in a redirect
    is currently not allowed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I just write the various
    possibilities<br />
    ... perhaps we should just have the default behavior fallback,
    stating that the UA should write valid MF URI</p><a name=
    "action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to investigate what's happened
    when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of
    <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution</a>
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-77
    - Investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media
    Fragment URI, re step 2 of <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution</a>
    [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-05-06].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; ok, understood
    :)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I will put this
    description and diagram in the document ... instead of
    semantics -&gt; processing of the media fragments</p>

    <p class='phone'>ISSUE-8?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ISSUE-8 -- Missing
    collection of MF WG decisions -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/8">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/8</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Do we want a wiki page that centralizes all
    the resolution?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I think the issues page
    barely captures that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I don't think so</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> the page captures our
    discussion, but I agree does not endorse the decision</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> can we misuse the
    tracker?</p>

    <p class='phone'>We have resolved all the polls</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I volunteer to maintain
    this page if chairs create it</p>

    <p class='phone'>trackbot, status?</p><a name="action03" id=
    "action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphaël to draft a wiki page for
    centralizing all decisions [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-78
    - Draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions [on Raphaël
    Troncy - due 2009-05-06].</p>

    <h3 id="item06">6. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> any news from the TAG
    regarding their latest finding, hash in uri?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; Michael thanks
    raphael for his great double role in scribing and chairing
    ;)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I will do that later
    this afternoon</p>

    <p class='phone'>no AOB?</p>

    <p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to contact
  the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their
  scheme [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphaël to draft
  a wiki page for centralizing all decisions [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to
  investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment
  URI, re step 2 of <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution">
  http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution</a>
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

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