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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>SV_MEETING_TITLE</h1>

  <h2>17 Apr 2009</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>SV_MEETING_CHAIR</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>daniel</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; so, questions about
    the mapping: we need to identify for which of these properties
    would a query expect to return one result, and for which we
    could get multiple results</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; we also need to
    work out whether the API is supposed to deliver what is in the
    file, verbatim, or whether it is supposed to try to manipulate
    the data into some kind of canonical form?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; for example, dates
    into ISO or RFC 3339 date format?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; identifiers into
    URNs, that identify the scheme and the identifier in that
    scheme?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; keywords from a
    defined set or open?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; we're also trying
    to define which elements are technical properties (e.g. frame
    size) and which are annotations</p>

    <p class='phone'>In Wikipedia: Media Object is a portion of one
    or two elements that may contain video and/or audio. Media
    objects with audio are normally synchronized with the video
    when used at the same time.</p>

    <p class='phone'>annotation naming: ma:title (dc:title),
    ma:creator(dc:creator), ma:rights(dc:rights),
    ma:contributor(dc:contributor), ma:description(dc:description),
    ma:keyword (dc:subject)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ma:</cite> identifier (A URI identifies
    an entity which can be either a Resource (abstract concept) or
    a Prpresentation (instance/file). Refer to 4.4</p>

    <p class='phone'>refer to 4.4 Annotating Media Fragments
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/#uc4">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/#uc4</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Type:</cite> either MIME type or file
    format ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ma:</cite> type (genre of the entity)
    and genre is removed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>createdate:</cite> create the film (1800
    war) in 1999 =&gt; create date is 1800 or 1999 ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ma:</cite> createdate can be createdate,
    releasedate, etc...</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>dc:</cite> type is The nature or genre
    of the resource, but genre is well used and understood in
    contents today...which might be better word ? *Type* or *Genre*
    ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>copyright is an identification holder, and
    what rights means ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>dc:</cite> rights =&gt; Information
    about rights held in and over the resource</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>dsinger</cite>&gt; suggest we select
    'copyright' and identify it as possibly matching dc:rights, and
    not have a separate 'rights</p>

    <p class='phone'>DRM and Right Managements are not in-scope of
    MAWG...keeping *Copyright* and removing *Rights* from the
    properties</p>

    <p class='phone'>W3C does not have its own DRM and just trying
    to reuse them</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ma:</cite> language (used in resource
    such as english, franch, spanish, korean, etc...) reference:
    <a href=
    "http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>*</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>dc:</cite> relation, what relation and
    how to express these relationship ? such as a URI</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> daniel to ask Felix for the
    relationship in dc:relation [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - daniel</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Soohong Daniel to ask Felix for the
    relationship in dc:relation [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-103
    - Daniel to ask Felix for the relationship in dc:relation [on
    Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ma:</cite> compression (compression of
    type used, such as codec: H.264, etc...), reference to
    :<a href="http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4281.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4281.txt</a><br />

    ... ShotLocation (location associated with the entity. Can be
    the depicted location or shot location) reference to: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-geolocation-API-20081222/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-geolocation-API-20081222/</a><br />

    ... targetAudience (is newly added): for example: parental
    guide (kids lock), targeting geographical, etc...)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; felix re you
    there?</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(In_Progress)">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(In_Progress)</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>vrodrgue</cite>&gt; Hi Felix, we are
    dialed-in...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; hi vrodruge, I will
    dial in later, see above</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>veroniquemalaise</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top_Supported_Tags">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top_Supported_Tags</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>make minutes</p><a name="action03" id=
    "action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to provide information about
    language identification, in addition to RFC 4646 [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-104
    - Provide information about language identification, in
    addition to RFC 4646 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; sorry for giving
    myself an action ...</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Soohong Daniel to ask members for the
    definition of contributor types [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-105
    - Daniel to ask members for the definition of contributor types
    [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'>zamik, who is here</p><a name="action05" id=
    "action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Wonsuk (and editing team) to come up
    with the initial Ontology document by April 28 [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-106
    - (and editing team) to come up with the initial Ontology
    document by April 28 [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'>who is here?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; An identifier can
    adress either a "Resource" (abstract concept) or a
    "Representation" (instance/file).</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; It can be a singel
    object or composed of fragments</p>

    <p class='phone'>a new selected mappilg table: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top_Supported_Tags">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top_Supported_Tags</a></p><a name="action06"
    id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim to update the all excel format
    files according to the new initial MAWG attributes [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-107
    - Update the all excel format files according to the new
    initial MAWG attributes [on Joakim Söderberg - due
    2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>veroniquemalaise</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html">
    http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>3 major parts: introduction, definition and
    mapping table.</p>

    <p class='phone'>Raphael, we are now trying to shut down the
    meeting by 5 PM wihtout break</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>vrodrgue</cite>&gt; .</p><a name=
    "action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim to make a *call for comments*
    to the mailing list in terms of mapping table [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-108
    - Make a *call for comments* to the mailing list in terms of
    mapping table [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='phone'>Attribution and description might be
    elaborated. Each Attribute has a clear meaning and
    explanation.</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Dave to elaborate on the description
    and the meaning of each attribute by April 28 [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - Dave</p>

    <p class='phone'>who is here?</p><a name="action09" id=
    "action09"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> dsinger to elaborate on the
    description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - dsinger</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> David to elaborate on the description
    and the meaning of each attribute by April 28 [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-109
    - Elaborate on the description and the meaning of each
    attribute by April 28 [on David Singer - due
    2009-04-24].</p><a name="action11" id="action11"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim to double check the next F2F
    meeting date for other complicated things [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-110
    - Double check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated
    things [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-04-24].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; done</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> daniel to ask
  Felix for the relationship in dc:relation [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Dave to elaborate
  on the description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> David to
  elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by
  April 28 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> dsinger to
  elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by
  April 28 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to provide
  information about language identification, in addition to RFC
  4646 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim to double
  check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated things
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim to make a
  *call for comments* to the mailing list in terms of mapping table
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim to update
  the all excel format files according to the new initial MAWG
  attributes [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Soohong Daniel to
  ask Felix for the relationship in dc:relation [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Soohong Daniel to
  ask members for the definition of contributor types [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Wonsuk (and
  editing team) to come up with the initial Ontology document by
  April 28 [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  [End of minutes]<br />
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