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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>MAWG</h1>
<h2>08 Dec 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>+0436991876aaaa, wbailer, joakim, +95385aabb,
+47.24.4.aacc, pchampin, [IPcaller]</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>florian, raphael, chris, tobias, veronique, felix</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>SV_MEETING_CHAIR</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>pchampin</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">minutes approval</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">open action items</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">Ontology document update</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Test suites</a></li>
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</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<hr />
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<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Hello everyone
...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> David are you on the
phoen bridge aswell?</p>
<p class='phone'>hi all, sorry I'm late</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> scriber?</p>
<p class='phone'>ok</p>
<p class='phone'>pchampi</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: pchampin</p>
<p class='phone'>yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin.html">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin.html</a></p>
<h3 id="item01">minutes approval</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> next week will be the
last telecon before Xmas holiday</p>
<p class='phone'>minutes approved</p>
<h3 id="item02">open action items</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-154?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-154 --
Joakim Söderberg to ask dave about the relationship of digital
data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc -- due
2009-09-15 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/154">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/154</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I had a discussion with
Dave</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-154</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-154 Ask
dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple
stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-169?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-169 --
Véronique Malaisé to veronique to update text on in scope
formats in ontology doc (formats not in mapping table) -- due
2009-11-12 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/169">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/169</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-169</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-169
veronique to update text on in scope formats in ontology doc
(formats not in mapping table) closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-172?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-172 --
Véronique Malaisé to rewrite intro to be clear on what we mean
by ontology -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/172">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/172</a></p>
<p class='phone'>under review by the co-editors</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-172</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-172 rewrite
intro to be clear on what we mean by ontology closed</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-174</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-174 check
if ontology document says that type of mapping specifies if
there is a loss in semantics closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-176?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-176 --
Joakim Söderberg to contact browser implementors to review the
API document -- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/176">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/176</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I sent a mail to Dave. We
also got a reply from Opera.</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-176</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-176 Contact
browser implementors to review the API document closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-175?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-175 --
Felix Sasaki to define data type mappings as soon as the data
types for the formats are defined -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/175">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/175</a></p>
<p class='phone'>text has been included</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-185</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-185
rigo@w3.org to ask pling wg to provide text on including policy
information closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-189?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-189 --
Tobias Bürger to work on the the subproperties (<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types)">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types)</a>
-- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/189">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/189</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> is this still
relevant?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> it has been
postponed<br />
... we can keep it as a reminder</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> can we change the
description of this action?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the decision is to handle
subproperties in a generic way<br />
... and may be in the future define specific subproperties.</p>
<p class='phone'>Updated ACTION-189 to mark it "postponed"</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> the Requirements
document seems to be here <a href=
"http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html">
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> at least it is the
one linked from the WG home page</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-192?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-192 --
Joakim Söderberg to and everyone to review the Requirements
document before 1/12 -- due 2009-12-01 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/192">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/192</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> we got some feedback on
the document<br />
... we will issue a new version next tuesday</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-192</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-192 And
everyone to review the Requirements document before 1/12
closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I remind everyone to take
time to update their table</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> I tried to update the
table with Amaya, but I failed.<br />
... can you remind the details to gain access to the file?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> get in touch with me,
I'll give you the details.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> Wonsuk: the trick is
to get the link correct:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> becomes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://jigedit.w3.org/jsderber/WWW/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html">
http://jigedit.w3.org/jsderber/WWW/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> the WG homepage has 2
sections<br />
... documents in WG space, and drafts in developments<br />
... I will remove the mapping tables from the 2nd section<br />
... because we are now working on the version from the WG
space.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> This is the current
version.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/mapping_table.html">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/mapping_table.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the version from the
draft was exported from XLS</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we have decided to stop
working on the XLS, and edit the XHTML direcectly<br />
... in the WG space;<br />
... so I will remove the one in "drats", which is frozen and
outdated.<br />
... (both HTML and XLS files)<br />
... I will check that we do not lose any information in the
process.<br />
... I will also remove the Ontology document from the WG
space,<br />
... since we do not work on this one.<br />
... Hence each document will be present at exactly one
place<br />
... which will avoid confusion.</p>
<p class='phone'>action tmichel to send a mail to the group
explaining the different document spaces and why some documents
are to be removed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-200
- Send a mail to the group explaining the different document
spaces and why some documents are to be removed [on Thierry
Michel - due 2009-12-15].</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-199</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-199 Daniel
to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info
to joakim closed</p>
<h3 id="item03">Ontology document update</h3>
<p class='phone'>Wonsuk summarizes the current state of the
document.</p>
<h3 id="item04">Test suites</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> the test suite should be
ready by the time we have the specification issued<br />
... Does Thierry has any recommendation about how to
proceed?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> experience from other
WGs (SMIL):<br />
... identify functionalities<br />
... provide test for each functionality<br />
... assign two people to each functionality<br />
... so that each can verify that the test is correct<br />
... Another solution :<br />
... some company have test suites for testing their own
implementations<br />
... Quite different from the W3C approach, where each test is
expected to be quite atomic.</p>
<p class='phone'>The goal is to make sure that two implementors
will interpret the functionality the same way</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> and implement it in an
interoperable way.<br />
... So there should be 1 test <-> 1 functionality</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> will our test be made
complicated by the fact that we envision both client-side and
server-side implementations?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> server-side
implementations could be hidden by a facade javascript
library<br />
... so the same test could be applied to client-side and
server-side implementations.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> +1 to Werner</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we don't need an
implementation that passes all the tests.<br />
... one product can pass only 1/2 tests, another product only
1/3<br />
... The requirement is that *each* test has 2 implementations
that pass it.<br />
... Or we can not become CR.</p>
<p class='phone'>But there is no requirement for an
implementation passing 100% tests.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> that is an important
distinction, indeed.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> once we agree that the
specification is stable enough,<br />
... then we should list functionalities and assign people to
test cases.<br />
... We should start to do this in last call.<br />
... But this is a very busy phase : lot of comments to be
processed.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> hopefuly, the spec will
be quite stable by the next F2F.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> the question of the test
suites should be raised at the F2F.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> agree, can't access
it either!</p>
<p class='phone'>:-(</p>
<p class='phone'>seems to last...</p>
<p class='phone'>thierry, are you still there?</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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