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  <h1>W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00
  UTC</h1>

  <h2>23 Nov 2006</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-irc">IRC
  log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>SusanneBoll, Raphael, JeffPan, Michael, ISTI, George,
      Tobias, Ioannis(IRC), Jacco(IRC), alessio(IRC)</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Giovanni, Pasquale, Chris, Paola, Thierry, Stamatia</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Jeff</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">2. LINKS Pages</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. XG UPDATES</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">3.1 Music Use Case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">3.2 News Use case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">3.3 Bio-medical use case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item07">3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability
        Use case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item08">3.5 Photo Use case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item09">3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use
        case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item10">3.7 Algorithm representation Use
        case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item11">3.8 Tagging Use case</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item12">3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web
        Applications</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item13">4. Interoperability
        Deliverable</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item14">Future Meetings</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
  <hr />

  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Scribe: Raphael,
    Jacco</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>TobiasBuerger</cite>&gt; hi
    raphael!</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; hi</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>alessio</cite>&gt; hallo raphael,
    hallo all</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt;
    unfortunately, it is not possible</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; we have a
    restriction to call abroad</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; we have
    to do it via secreteriat that is closed now</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>alessio</cite>&gt; I know Ioannis
    problem... that's because I always join via IRC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>&gt; mute
    SusanneBoll</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt;
    voipbuster is for free ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>&gt; mute Susanne
    Boll</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; YES, Ioannis</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; type : "Zakim, mute
    me"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Jacco</cite>&gt; soory guys, I've to
    send regrets. Thought I would be ok after a few asparins but
    I'm not... See you next time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; perhaps</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; hear you in a
    minute ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; thanks
    for the info, first i hear it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>anadiotis</cite>&gt; actually, i think
    voipbuster only gives you an initial number of free minutes,
    after that you have to pay</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>isti</cite>&gt; hi all from Patrizia,
    Suzanne and Massimo</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; could you all join
    please ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; please ALL, join
    again on the phone</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>&gt; i am here</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Susanne you can
    join again on the phone</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; PROPOSED to accept
    the minutes of the 16 November 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACCEPTED: skip the
    telecon of 7 December 2006, reason: Face 2 Face the</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; 8-9 of December</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; POLL: next telecon
    of 21 December 20006 ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; vote for
    21/12</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>&gt; yes, please</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; SKIP the telecon of
    21/12: ACCEPTED</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; POLL: next telecon
    of 4 January 2007 ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Next Telecon: 11/01
    and 18/01</p>

    <h3 id="item02">2. LINKS Pages</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Michael to maintain
    the Vocabularies page ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Oscar has
    contributed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; his account is in
    the pipeline</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael ... skip
    the section 4 ... describe the overlap in the description of
    the vocabularies</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... make this
    document an XG TR ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; keep it as a living
    document for sure.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; all my comments
    have been addressed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Giovanni and
    Christian to maintain the Tools page ... Giovanni not here</p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. XG UPDATES</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Melli and Paul are
    not here</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael addresses the comments on
    "Image Annotation on the SW" PENDING [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
    id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to review all use cases
    PENDING [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><a name="action03"
    id="action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to review all use cases PENDING
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item04">3.1 Music Use Case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; nobody is here</p>

    <h3 id="item05">3.2 News Use case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; We are working on
    getting the data</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; PB: show problems
    of using NewsML1 and 2, DowJones ML or even the format from a
    braodcaster</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; raphael
    <a href="http://www.profium.com/">http://www.profium.com/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Except to have a
    nice description for discussion during the F2F</p>

    <h3 id="item06">3.3 Bio-medical use case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Melli is not
    here</p>

    <h3 id="item07">3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use
    case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Michael does not
    really know the status</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to contact Stamatia about this
    use case [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item08">3.5 Photo Use case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Susanne: plan to
    use slides to present the use case</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: F2F will
    be working session, we could spend one hour per use case</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Susanne: overlap
    with the vocabulary page, many vocabularies possible</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... discuss the
    applications that will handle the metadata</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jeff: towards a
    common framework for MM interoperability problems ...</p>

    <h3 id="item09">3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Ioannis, would you
    like to comment ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; there is
    an update since yesterday</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; apologies
    for my late response</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; due to
    limited availability</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; would you like to
    explain this update ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; examples
    are more detaled</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; there is
    a Figure to depict the metadata over the web page</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; My main coments
    with the update is why choosing an example about athletics in
    Section 2 and then an art example in the solution (section
    3)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; When do you plan to
    discuss the solution ?</p>

    <h3 id="item10">3.7 Algorithm representation Use case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; for both
    examples are already discussed the solutions</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; thanks Ioannis,
    what do you expect now for going forward ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Two review for the
    use cases: Tobias and Raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; more
    people involved from the SW community to give a more in-depth
    flavor of the SW requirements</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; we should
    discuss it at F2F meeting</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ok Ioannis !</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Patrizia: different
    kind of interoperability problems</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... low level:
    input / output of the algorithms</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... higher level:
    semantic concepts</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; You should take a
    look at the MPEG-7 ontology of K-Space .... (algorithm design
    pattern)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; is it
    publicly available ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; iannis: not
    yet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; when do
    you estimate that we may have at least a draft ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Most likely in
    December ...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; If we can
    get it to F2F then perfect timing</p><a name="action05" id=
    "action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Patrizia to tell if someone from ISTI
    will make the F2F [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item11">3.8 Tagging Use case</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Small update on the
    description of the solution</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; George will not
    make the F2F</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... but it is
    possible to make a demo during the Face 2 Face</p>

    <h3 id="item12">3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web
    Applications</h3><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff and Vassilis to review
    <strong>[PENDING]</strong> [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item13">4. Interoperability Deliverable</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Vassilis is not
    here</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; It will be an
    important point during the next F2F meeting</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Susanne: what kind
    of text should be provided ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jeff: in section 9
    (possible solutions) and 6.2</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... summary of the
    problems encountered in the use cases</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; we have a AP
    here already ... (Vassilis) - better wait?</p><a name=
    "action07" id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to clarify the content of
    section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised
    contributions, on the mailling list: PENDING [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; sorry, i quit the
    phone, no crdit on my phone card :-(</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; I'm finishing the
    telecon on IRC only</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Michael, you scribe
    the end ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; i'll try it
    ..</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Chairs to contact Vassilis, ALL UC
    authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item14">Future Meetings</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>anadiotis</cite>&gt; bye all</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>&gt; bye</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Scribe: raphael,
    michael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; bye, see
    you at F2F in Athens</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; see you :-)</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Chairs to contact
  Vassilis, ALL UC authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to
  contact Stamatia about this use case [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Patrizia to tell
  if someone from ISTI will make the F2F [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff and
  Vassilis to review [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to
  review all use cases [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael
  addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the SW" [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
  clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case
  authors precised contributions, on the mailling list [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
  review all use cases [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  [End of minutes]<br />
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Scribes: Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael
Present: SusanneBoll Raphael JeffPan Michael ISTI George Tobias Ioannis(IRC) Jacco(IRC) alessio(IRC)
Regrets: Giovanni Pasquale Chris Paola Thierry Stamatia
Agenda: <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html</a>
Got date from IRC log name: 23 Nov 2006
Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html</a>
People with action items: chairs jeff michael patrizia raphael vassilis

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