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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00
UTC</h1>
<h2>23 Nov 2006</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>SusanneBoll, Raphael, JeffPan, Michael, ISTI, George,
Tobias, Ioannis(IRC), Jacco(IRC), alessio(IRC)</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Giovanni, Pasquale, Chris, Paola, Thierry, Stamatia</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Jeff</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2. LINKS Pages</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">3. XG UPDATES</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">3.1 Music Use Case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">3.2 News Use case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">3.3 Bio-medical use case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability
Use case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item08">3.5 Photo Use case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item09">3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use
case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item10">3.7 Algorithm representation Use
case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item11">3.8 Tagging Use case</a></li>
<li><a href="#item12">3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web
Applications</a></li>
<li><a href="#item13">4. Interoperability
Deliverable</a></li>
<li><a href="#item14">Future Meetings</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='phone'> </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Raphael,
Jacco</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>TobiasBuerger</cite>> hi
raphael!</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> hi</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>alessio</cite>> hallo raphael,
hallo all</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>>
unfortunately, it is not possible</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> we have a
restriction to call abroad</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> we have
to do it via secreteriat that is closed now</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>alessio</cite>> I know Ioannis
problem... that's because I always join via IRC</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> mute
SusanneBoll</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>>
voipbuster is for free ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> mute Susanne
Boll</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> YES, Ioannis</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> type : "Zakim, mute
me"</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jacco</cite>> soory guys, I've to
send regrets. Thought I would be ok after a few asparins but
I'm not... See you next time</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> perhaps</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> hear you in a
minute ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> thanks
for the info, first i hear it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>anadiotis</cite>> actually, i think
voipbuster only gives you an initial number of free minutes,
after that you have to pay</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>isti</cite>> hi all from Patrizia,
Suzanne and Massimo</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> could you all join
please ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> please ALL, join
again on the phone</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> i am here</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne you can
join again on the phone</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> PROPOSED to accept
the minutes of the 16 November 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACCEPTED: skip the
telecon of 7 December 2006, reason: Face 2 Face the</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> 8-9 of December</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> POLL: next telecon
of 21 December 20006 ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> vote for
21/12</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> yes, please</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> SKIP the telecon of
21/12: ACCEPTED</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> POLL: next telecon
of 4 January 2007 ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Next Telecon: 11/01
and 18/01</p>
<h3 id="item02">2. LINKS Pages</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael to maintain
the Vocabularies page ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Oscar has
contributed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> his account is in
the pipeline</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael ... skip
the section 4 ... describe the overlap in the description of
the vocabularies</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... make this
document an XG TR ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> keep it as a living
document for sure.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> all my comments
have been addressed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Giovanni and
Christian to maintain the Tools page ... Giovanni not here</p>
<h3 id="item03">3. XG UPDATES</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Melli and Paul are
not here</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael addresses the comments on
"Image Annotation on the SW" PENDING [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to review all use cases
PENDING [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><a name="action03"
id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to review all use cases PENDING
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item04">3.1 Music Use Case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> nobody is here</p>
<h3 id="item05">3.2 News Use case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> We are working on
getting the data</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> PB: show problems
of using NewsML1 and 2, DowJones ML or even the format from a
braodcaster</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> raphael
<a href="http://www.profium.com/">http://www.profium.com/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Except to have a
nice description for discussion during the F2F</p>
<h3 id="item06">3.3 Bio-medical use case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Melli is not
here</p>
<h3 id="item07">3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use
case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael does not
really know the status</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to contact Stamatia about this
use case [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item08">3.5 Photo Use case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne: plan to
use slides to present the use case</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: F2F will
be working session, we could spend one hour per use case</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne: overlap
with the vocabulary page, many vocabularies possible</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... discuss the
applications that will handle the metadata</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jeff: towards a
common framework for MM interoperability problems ...</p>
<h3 id="item09">3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Ioannis, would you
like to comment ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> there is
an update since yesterday</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> apologies
for my late response</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> due to
limited availability</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> would you like to
explain this update ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> examples
are more detaled</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> there is
a Figure to depict the metadata over the web page</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> My main coments
with the update is why choosing an example about athletics in
Section 2 and then an art example in the solution (section
3)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> When do you plan to
discuss the solution ?</p>
<h3 id="item10">3.7 Algorithm representation Use case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> for both
examples are already discussed the solutions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> thanks Ioannis,
what do you expect now for going forward ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Two review for the
use cases: Tobias and Raphael</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> more
people involved from the SW community to give a more in-depth
flavor of the SW requirements</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> we should
discuss it at F2F meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ok Ioannis !</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Patrizia: different
kind of interoperability problems</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... low level:
input / output of the algorithms</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... higher level:
semantic concepts</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> You should take a
look at the MPEG-7 ontology of K-Space .... (algorithm design
pattern)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> is it
publicly available ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> iannis: not
yet</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> when do
you estimate that we may have at least a draft ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Most likely in
December ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> If we can
get it to F2F then perfect timing</p><a name="action05" id=
"action05"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Patrizia to tell if someone from ISTI
will make the F2F [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item11">3.8 Tagging Use case</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Small update on the
description of the solution</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> George will not
make the F2F</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... but it is
possible to make a demo during the Face 2 Face</p>
<h3 id="item12">3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web
Applications</h3><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff and Vassilis to review
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item13">4. Interoperability Deliverable</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Vassilis is not
here</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> It will be an
important point during the next F2F meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne: what kind
of text should be provided ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jeff: in section 9
(possible solutions) and 6.2</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... summary of the
problems encountered in the use cases</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> we have a AP
here already ... (Vassilis) - better wait?</p><a name=
"action07" id="action07"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to clarify the content of
section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised
contributions, on the mailling list: PENDING [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> sorry, i quit the
phone, no crdit on my phone card :-(</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I'm finishing the
telecon on IRC only</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael, you scribe
the end ?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> i'll try it
..</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Chairs to contact Vassilis, ALL UC
authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item14">Future Meetings</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>anadiotis</cite>> bye all</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> bye</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: raphael,
michael</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> bye, see
you at F2F in Athens</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> see you :-)</p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Chairs to contact
Vassilis, ALL UC authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to
contact Stamatia about this use case [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Patrizia to tell
if someone from ISTI will make the F2F [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff and
Vassilis to review [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to
review all use cases [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael
addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the SW" [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case
authors precised contributions, on the mailling list [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
review all use cases [recorded in <a href=
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
Found Scribe: Raphael, Jacco
Found Scribe: raphael, michael
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Scribes: Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael
Present: SusanneBoll Raphael JeffPan Michael ISTI George Tobias Ioannis(IRC) Jacco(IRC) alessio(IRC)
Regrets: Giovanni Pasquale Chris Paola Thierry Stamatia
Agenda: <a href=
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People with action items: chairs jeff michael patrizia raphael vassilis
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