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<h1>IRC log of rdfcore on 2002-07-19</h1>
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<dt id="T14-00-54">14:00:54 [RRSAgent]</dt><dd>RRSAgent has joined #rdfcore</dd>
<dt id="T14-01-44">14:01:44 [bwm]</dt><dd>bwm has joined #rdfcore</dd>
<dt id="T14-01-48">14:01:48 [danbri]</dt><dd><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0123.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0123.html</a></dd>
<dt id="T14-02-06">14:02:06 [em]</dt><dd>em has changed the topic to: rdfcore teleconference - 20020719</dd>
<dt id="T14-02-52">14:02:52 [DanC]</dt><dd>that(0123) says 2002-07-12; is it for today after all?</dd>
<dt id="T14-03-11">14:03:11 [danbri]</dt><dd>oops, dunno. in hurry.</dd>
<dt id="T14-05-04">14:05:04 [danbri]</dt><dd>I think it might just have wrong date on it.</dd>
<dt id="T14-05-13">14:05:13 [DaveB]</dt><dd>isn't 0117.html the agenda?</dd>
<dt id="T14-05-34">14:05:34 [jang]</dt><dd>yes</dd>
<dt id="T14-05-35">14:05:35 [danbri]</dt><dd><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0115.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0115.html</a> appears to be it</dd>
<dt id="T14-05-44">14:05:44 [danbri]</dt><dd>and the other copies are the same, i assume</dd>
<dt id="T14-06-07">14:06:07 [DanC]</dt><dd>"4: Next telecon 26th July 2002" &lt;- consistent with an agenda for today.</dd>
<dt id="T14-07-42">14:07:42 [danbri]</dt><dd>yes, that's the one.</dd>
<dt id="T14-07-58">14:07:58 [danbri]</dt><dd>Zakim, who is here?</dd>
<dt id="T14-07-59">14:07:59 [Zakim]</dt><dd>sorry, danbri, I don't know what conference this is</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-00">14:08:00 [Zakim]</dt><dd>On IRC I see bwm, RRSAgent, Zakim, danbri, DanC, em, DaveB, Guha_, jang, logger_1</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-04">14:08:04 [danbri]</dt><dd>Zakim, list conferences?</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-05">14:08:05 [Zakim]</dt><dd>I see SW_RDFCore()10:00AM</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-15">14:08:15 [danbri]</dt><dd>Zakim, this is SW_RDFCore</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-16">14:08:16 [Zakim]</dt><dd>ok, danbri</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-20">14:08:20 [danbri]</dt><dd>Zakim, who is here?</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-21">14:08:21 [Zakim]</dt><dd>On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, ??P3, DanBri, PatH?, +1.650.965.aabb</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-21-1">14:08:21 [jang]</dt><dd>aob: guha, lbase</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-23">14:08:23 [Zakim]</dt><dd>On IRC I see bwm, RRSAgent, Zakim, danbri, DanC, em, DaveB, Guha_, jang, logger_1</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-26">14:08:26 [jang]</dt><dd>plus, aob: datatypes</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-37">14:08:37 [jang]</dt><dd>roll call:</dd>
<dt id="T14-08-48">14:08:48 [Zakim]</dt><dd>+Mike_Dean</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-00">14:09:00 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm, danbri, dave b , jang, mike dean, pat h</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-20">14:09:20 [Zakim]</dt><dd>+EricM</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-23">14:09:23 [jang]</dt><dd>jjc regrets</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-27">14:09:27 [jang]</dt><dd>danc regrets</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-30">14:09:30 [jang]</dt><dd>rond abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-31">14:09:31 [jang]</dt><dd>bill d abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-33">14:09:33 [jang]</dt><dd>jos reg</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-35">14:09:35 [jang]</dt><dd>rael abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-37">14:09:37 [jang]</dt><dd>arno abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-40">14:09:40 [jang]</dt><dd>eric here</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-45">14:09:45 [jang]</dt><dd>jang here</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-47">14:09:47 [jang]</dt><dd>yoshi abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-52">14:09:52 [jang]</dt><dd>grah k reg</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-54">14:09:54 [jang]</dt><dd>mick kop abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-56">14:09:56 [jang]</dt><dd>kwon abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-09-58">14:09:58 [jang]</dt><dd>ora abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-09">14:10:09 [jang]</dt><dd>frank manola..? abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-13">14:10:13 [jang]</dt><dd>satoshi abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-15">14:10:15 [jang]</dt><dd>steve here</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-17">14:10:17 [jang]</dt><dd>pierre r abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-23">14:10:23 [jang]</dt><dd>patrick here</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-24">14:10:24 [jang]</dt><dd>aaron abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-28">14:10:28 [jang]</dt><dd>mike dean here</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-29">14:10:29 [jang]</dt><dd>guha here</dd>
<dt id="T14-10-46">14:10:46 [jang]</dt><dd>pat h here, sergei abs</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-01">14:11:01 [jang]</dt><dd>next telecon: next week, eric to chair</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-09">14:11:09 [jang]</dt><dd>minutes of last telecon:</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-15">14:11:15 [jang]</dt><dd>approved (with jos there)</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-37">14:11:37 [jang]</dt><dd>minutes all approves</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-37-1">14:11:37 [DanC]</dt><dd>FYI: recent work in WebOnt on layering: # LANG: new version of abstract syntax/translation document Peter F. Patel-Schneider (Sun, Jul 07 2002) <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0031.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0031.html</a></dd>
<dt id="T14-11-40">14:11:40 [jang]</dt><dd>actions approves</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-45">14:11:45 [DanC]</dt><dd>I'd appreciate review from RDFCore folk.</dd>
<dt id="T14-11-49">14:11:49 [jang]</dt><dd>lbase:</dd>
<dt id="T14-12-01">14:12:01 [jang]</dt><dd>guha. path and i are going to give next version to eric soon to make it a note...</dd>
<dt id="T14-12-17">14:12:17 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: what was answer to process question? private submission?</dd>
<dt id="T14-12-23">14:12:23 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: I'd suggest that it not be.</dd>
<dt id="T14-12-49">14:12:49 [jang]</dt><dd>it sounds like theres sufficient consensus at f2f that this was useful contrib from rdfcore and should be submitted that way</dd>
<dt id="T14-12-54">14:12:54 [Zakim]</dt><dd>+AaronSw</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-03">14:13:03 [jang]</dt><dd>the wg wants this to get published.</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-06">14:13:06 [Zakim]</dt><dd>+??P7</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-08">14:13:08 [aaronsw]</dt><dd>aaronsw has joined #rdfcore</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-20">14:13:20 [aaronsw]</dt><dd>zakim, who's here?</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-21">14:13:21 [Zakim]</dt><dd>On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, ??P3, DanBri, PatH?, +1.650.965.aabb, Mike_Dean, EricM, AaronSw, ??P7</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-21-1">14:13:21 [jang]</dt><dd>danbri: this doc needs a "status of this document"</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-23">14:13:23 [Zakim]</dt><dd>On IRC I see aaronsw, bwm, RRSAgent, Zakim, danbri, DanC, em, DaveB, Guha_, jang, logger_1</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-28">14:13:28 [jang]</dt><dd>eric has volunteered to take it on...</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-49">14:13:49 [jang]</dt><dd>action danbri-eric / take this offline and figure out who owns the publishing side</dd>
<dt id="T14-13-56">14:13:56 [jang]</dt><dd>Guha_: we sould be ready end monday</dd>
<dt id="T14-14-54">14:14:54 [DaveB]</dt><dd>can we have url of this doc?</dd>
<dt id="T14-14-55">14:14:55 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: if this is getting published in the name of the wg, then we ought to review it</dd>
<dt id="T14-14-58">14:14:58 [jang]</dt><dd>have we seen it?</dd>
<dt id="T14-15-01">14:15:01 [DaveB]</dt><dd>and www-archive copy pls?</dd>
<dt id="T14-15-20">14:15:20 [danbri]</dt><dd>I checked a copy into w3.org datespace (rummages for URL)</dd>
<dt id="T14-15-26">14:15:26 [danbri]</dt><dd>am waiting for more content from guha and pat</dd>
<dt id="T14-15-28">14:15:28 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: guha and pat, if they can get this out by tuesday then feedback on friday to make publication</dd>
<dt id="T14-16-08">14:16:08 [jang]</dt><dd>we'd be publishing on east coast time</dd>
<dt id="T14-16-24">14:16:24 [jang]</dt><dd>datatypes: bwm sent out summary of responses</dd>
<dt id="T14-16-32">14:16:32 [jang]</dt><dd>untidy is "in the lead"</dd>
<dt id="T14-16-41">14:16:41 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: my main concern right now..</dd>
<dt id="T14-16-54">14:16:54 [jang]</dt><dd>I've been acting as the voice of the wg in the list</dd>
<dt id="T14-17-04">14:17:04 [jang]</dt><dd>I'm not around next week... can someone stand in for me?</dd>
<dt id="T14-17-31">14:17:31 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: can eric do this?</dd>
<dt id="T14-17-45">14:17:45 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: I'm expecting it to be quite quiet next week.</dd>
<dt id="T14-17-55">14:17:55 [jang]</dt><dd>danbri: I'll jump into the thread if necessary.</dd>
<dt id="T14-18-56">14:18:56 [jang]</dt><dd>xmlp review.</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-05">14:19:05 [jang]</dt><dd>danbri: we seem to largely agree</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-21">14:19:21 [jang]</dt><dd>I'd rather we get comments to the group, so I'd suggest we each send comments directly.</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-32">14:19:32 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: is there a substantive issue we're worried about?</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-42">14:19:42 [jang]</dt><dd>DanC: I'm worried that there are two specs coming out of w3c</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-50">14:19:50 [jang]</dt><dd>both of which have edge-labelled graphs, etc.</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-55">14:19:55 [jang]</dt><dd>both going to be widely deployed</dd>
<dt id="T14-19-59">14:19:59 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>s/DanC/danbri</dd>
<dt id="T14-20-03">14:20:03 [jang]</dt><dd>we don't know how different they are.</dd>
<dt id="T14-20-34">14:20:34 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: I don't think it's as important to get an overall consensus doc from the rdfcore group</dd>
<dt id="T14-20-45">14:20:45 [jang]</dt><dd>as it is to get issues back to the xmlp group</dd>
<dt id="T14-21-23">14:21:23 [jang]</dt><dd>get the comments to xmlp-comments.</dd>
<dt id="T14-22-18">14:22:18 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: don't want to make work for another wg unless we can follow through on that</dd>
<dt id="T14-22-44">14:22:44 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: how realistic can we be on harmonisation at this point? identify specific issues, goals, concerns about the specs.</dd>
<dt id="T14-23-44">14:23:44 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: the onus is on folks then to submit individual comments. I'm minded to push this to coordination group</dd>
<dt id="T14-23-52">14:23:52 [jang]</dt><dd>if there's stuff here that needs to be done.</dd>
<dt id="T14-24-08">14:24:08 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: certainly the future will be a coordination issue.</dd>
<dt id="T14-24-20">14:24:20 [jang]</dt><dd>the deadline is today to get these responses in.</dd>
<dt id="T14-25-08">14:25:08 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: I've already discussed this several times with the web services coordination group</dd>
<dt id="T14-25-24">14:25:24 [jang]</dt><dd>we're still unsure how close these two things (xmlp, rdf) are</dd>
<dt id="T14-26-04">14:26:04 [jang]</dt><dd>danbri: I've got an implementation that would take two days to wrap up</dd>
<dt id="T14-26-31">14:26:31 [jang]</dt><dd>item 9: procedure for determining reserved vocab</dd>
<dt id="T14-26-37">14:26:37 [jang]</dt><dd>back a second...</dd>
<dt id="T14-26-48">14:26:48 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: are there other people on the list who are able to respond?</dd>
<dt id="T14-27-33">14:27:33 [jang]</dt><dd>(eric sends graham an email to see if he can send his comments..)</dd>
<dt id="T14-27-38">14:27:38 [jang]</dt><dd>item 9 again.</dd>
<dt id="T14-28-19">14:28:19 [jang]</dt><dd>talking about option 2, the recognisale darkening uri prefix</dd>
<dt id="T14-28-36">14:28:36 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: guha, any more progress?</dd>
<dt id="T14-28-42">14:28:42 [danbri]</dt><dd>&lt;jang&gt; danbri: I've got an implementation that would take two days to wrap up</dd>
<dt id="T14-28-59">14:28:59 [jang]</dt><dd>Guha_: I'm waiting for jeremy's bug report, I can't find it</dd>
<dt id="T14-29-00">14:29:00 [danbri]</dt><dd>...two days that I lost this week due to problems with inria INRIA (for the record)</dd>
<dt id="T14-29-29">14:29:29 [em]</dt><dd>em has joined #rdfcore</dd>
<dt id="T14-30-01">14:30:01 [bwm]</dt><dd> <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0001.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jul/0001.html</a></dd>
<dt id="T14-30-37">14:30:37 [em]</dt><dd>ping</dd>
<dt id="T14-30-38">14:30:38 [em]</dt><dd>?</dd>
<dt id="T14-30-44">14:30:44 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>hi em</dd>
<dt id="T14-30-55">14:30:55 [em]</dt><dd>ah, thanks!</dd>
<dt id="T14-31-46">14:31:46 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: suggests leaving out the http: prefix on the next url.</dd>
<dt id="T14-33-01">14:33:01 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>asw: works conceptually, not really practically</dd>
<dt id="T14-33-51">14:33:51 [jang]</dt><dd>jang: the redirect mentioned in jjs'c bug is a daft idea</dd>
<dt id="T14-34-11">14:34:11 [jang]</dt><dd>test cases:</dd>
<dt id="T14-34-20">14:34:20 [jang]</dt><dd>action: jang / update test cases in light of bugs</dd>
<dt id="T14-35-21">14:35:21 [jang]</dt><dd>action: eric: jang gets dropped on rdf-comments (twice now)... any idea why?</dd>
<dt id="T14-35-34">14:35:34 [jang]</dt><dd>dropped off, even</dd>
<dt id="T14-35-56">14:35:56 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: getting to last call. this means switching away from issues to focussing on the documents</dd>
<dt id="T14-36-29">14:36:29 [jang]</dt><dd>how do people feel about document focus at each telecons?</dd>
<dt id="T14-36-50">14:36:50 [jang]</dt><dd>DaveB: seems fine, but won't people want their documents put up as late as possible?</dd>
<dt id="T14-37-06">14:37:06 [em]</dt><dd>q+</dd>
<dt id="T14-37-08">14:37:08 [jang]</dt><dd>jan volunteers for the 26th july</dd>
<dt id="T14-37-27">14:37:27 [jang]</dt><dd>graham: he hopes to have something published by the middle of next week...</dd>
<dt id="T14-37-36">14:37:36 [jang]</dt><dd>suggest we put that up for the week after.</dd>
<dt id="T14-37-42">14:37:42 [jang]</dt><dd>(pending jjc, gk's approval)</dd>
<dt id="T14-37-53">14:37:53 [jang]</dt><dd>that would be 2nd august</dd>
<dt id="T14-38-02">14:38:02 [jang]</dt><dd>that is, approval for first pub as wd</dd>
<dt id="T14-38-09">14:38:09 [em]</dt><dd>q?</dd>
<dt id="T14-38-28">14:38:28 [jang]</dt><dd>path: waiting on the tidy/untidy literal decision</dd>
<dt id="T14-38-39">14:38:39 [jang]</dt><dd>path: can have document ready for the 9th august</dd>
<dt id="T14-38-56">14:38:56 [jang]</dt><dd>DaveB: if not then the syntax document</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-05">14:39:05 [jang]</dt><dd>9th syntax</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-10">14:39:10 [jang]</dt><dd>16th august model theory</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-19">14:39:19 [jang]</dt><dd>23rd, schema.</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-33">14:39:33 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: keep going.</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-52">14:39:52 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: how do you feel about close-to-last-call by 23rd august</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-53">14:39:53 [jang]</dt><dd>Guha_: yes</dd>
<dt id="T14-39-56">14:39:56 [jang]</dt><dd>danbri: sure</dd>
<dt id="T14-40-22">14:40:22 [jang]</dt><dd>primer: ...</dd>
<dt id="T14-40-35">14:40:35 [jang]</dt><dd>frank's not here. at the f2f, he was saying primer by ...</dd>
<dt id="T14-40-38">14:40:38 [jang]</dt><dd>eric suggests 30th</dd>
<dt id="T14-40-46">14:40:46 [danbri]</dt><dd>danbri: it's slightly at risk (re INRIA problem) but yes  (re RDFS)</dd>
<dt id="T14-41-04">14:41:04 [jang]</dt><dd>datatypes: 6 september.</dd>
<dt id="T14-41-31">14:41:31 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: dts is likely to have a lot of discussion.</dd>
<dt id="T14-41-41">14:41:41 [jang]</dt><dd>I'm tyring to get it so that other documents could go independently.</dd>
<dt id="T14-41-45">14:41:45 [jang]</dt><dd>eric:...</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-15">14:42:15 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: you have action to get editors together to see if gk's stuff might have bits in other documents.</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-20">14:42:20 [jang]</dt><dd>(last week, largely)</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-29">14:42:29 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: chapter three probably still needs a look</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-41">14:42:41 [jang]</dt><dd>the role of that doc as overview has changed, it becomes a peer</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-44">14:42:44 [jang]</dt><dd>but we do need it</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-46">14:42:46 [jang]</dt><dd>eric:...</dd>
<dt id="T14-42-54">14:42:54 [jang]</dt><dd>1. first pub should not be last call</dd>
<dt id="T14-43-06">14:43:06 [jang]</dt><dd>if that's the decision we need to put a WD somewhere in the schedule.</dd>
<dt id="T14-43-34">14:43:34 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: the 2nd august would be to propose to publish as wd</dd>
<dt id="T14-44-12">14:44:12 [Zakim]</dt><dd>+Manola</dd>
<dt id="T14-44-45">14:44:45 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: document dependencies are going to come up as we go to last call</dd>
<dt id="T14-44-54">14:44:54 [jang]</dt><dd>if we talk about dts after the primer</dd>
<dt id="T14-45-04">14:45:04 [jang]</dt><dd>then talking about [gk's new doc]</dd>
<dt id="T14-45-16">14:45:16 [jang]</dt><dd>then those are going to have implications on the primer</dd>
<dt id="T14-45-20">14:45:20 [jang]</dt><dd>cue frank m:</dd>
<dt id="T14-45-55">14:45:55 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: I'm not sure how realistic that schedule is in that regard. I've been loking at the primer as the last doc to go out</dd>
<dt id="T14-45-59">14:45:59 [jang]</dt><dd>but now frank's here(!)</dd>
<dt id="T14-46-18">14:46:18 [jang]</dt><dd>third point:#wrt schedule: looking at the implementation of rdf, we could pretty much skip CR</dd>
<dt id="T14-46-26">14:46:26 [jang]</dt><dd>we've got interop, test cases, etc.</dd>
<dt id="T14-46-40">14:46:40 [jang]</dt><dd>if we include datatypes, that means we need CR period</dd>
<dt id="T14-46-57">14:46:57 [jang]</dt><dd>if there's a way to implement these asap as the docs come out to test interop that will improve things</dd>
<dt id="T14-47-18">14:47:18 [jang]</dt><dd>can developers on the list begin to think about allocating devel time to this?</dd>
<dt id="T14-47-22">14:47:22 [jang]</dt><dd>[eric done]</dd>
<dt id="T14-47-35">14:47:35 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: on process: CR not nec without DTs?</dd>
<dt id="T14-47-42">14:47:42 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: a strong case can be made that that's the case.</dd>
<dt id="T14-48-00">14:48:00 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: does that mean other docs can proceed to rec without cr, and only dts need cr period?</dd>
<dt id="T14-48-12">14:48:12 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: that's a good question: I've been viewing this as a big lump</dd>
<dt id="T14-48-18">14:48:18 [jang]</dt><dd>AaronSw: mt has dep on DTs?</dd>
<dt id="T14-48-40">14:48:40 [jang]</dt><dd>path: yes, in the sense that DT decisions have a knock-on</dd>
<dt id="T14-48-53">14:48:53 [jang]</dt><dd>Guha_: no syntax changes, but MT is affected.</dd>
<dt id="T14-49-14">14:49:14 [jang]</dt><dd>path: the diff between tidy, untidy syntax affects the mt, </dd>
<dt id="T14-49-26">14:49:26 [jang]</dt><dd>[you're joking, danc!]</dd>
<dt id="T14-49-45">14:49:45 [DanC]</dt><dd>[no, not joking. see earlier reference to 'abstract syntax' document.]</dd>
<dt id="T14-49-54">14:49:54 [jang]</dt><dd>path: when the decision is made, the dt doc will be easy. we've written dozens of them already (!)</dd>
<dt id="T14-50-39">14:50:39 [DaveB]</dt><dd>I rread that pfps doc - it's funny</dd>
<dt id="T14-50-49">14:50:49 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: I'm trying to drive for rec, this is in my experience the hardest thing to do</dd>
<dt id="T14-51-09">14:51:09 [jang]</dt><dd>it means implementation, development.</dd>
<dt id="T14-51-26">14:51:26 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: you're suggesting a schedule for conformant implementations?</dd>
<dt id="T14-51-33">14:51:33 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>pfps doc = <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/att-0031/01-specification.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/att-0031/01-specification.html</a></dd>
<dt id="T14-51-56">14:51:56 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: the dts doc will have test cases, surely...</dd>
<dt id="T14-52-08">14:52:08 [jang]</dt><dd>so you'll expect to see this in the tc document.</dd>
<dt id="T14-53-23">14:53:23 [jang]</dt><dd>jang: I'd expect to extract TCs from the DT doc</dd>
<dt id="T14-54-10">14:54:10 [jang]</dt><dd>action bwm / to identify applications needed and get a schedule for them</dd>
<dt id="T14-55-05">14:55:05 [jang]</dt><dd>daveb reads danc's earlier dark triples comment</dd>
<dt id="T14-55-25">14:55:25 [jang]</dt><dd>rod daniel on the phone, he's here</dd>
<dt id="T14-55-41">14:55:41 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: where are webont at the moment?</dd>
<dt id="T14-56-05">14:56:05 [jang]</dt><dd>there's a brief round of catchup on webont's status. there's a subgroup dedicated to fixing the semantics</dd>
<dt id="T14-56-24">14:56:24 [jang]</dt><dd>(path, pfps, danc, ianh on it)</dd>
<dt id="T14-56-36">14:56:36 [jang]</dt><dd>frankm proposes a motion of sympathy with webont</dd>
<dt id="T14-57-06">14:57:06 [jang]</dt><dd>path: it's ahrmless to put them in.</dd>
<dt id="T14-57-16">14:57:16 [jang]</dt><dd>frank: it'll confuse a lot of people.</dd>
<dt id="T14-57-38">14:57:38 [jang]</dt><dd>Guha_: the worst that can happen is that we don't provide the mechanism</dd>
<dt id="T14-57-43">14:57:43 [jang]</dt><dd>and webont does their own thing</dd>
<dt id="T14-57-47">14:57:47 [jang]</dt><dd>and sets that precedent</dd>
<dt id="T14-58-11">14:58:11 [jang]</dt><dd>[jang: note that we could have the dark triples in black text on a black background in the docs]</dd>
<dt id="T14-58-28">14:58:28 [jang]</dt><dd>frankm: I'm hoping to have a new version of the primer out sunday night or monday</dd>
<dt id="T14-58-36">14:58:36 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: lauds</dd>
<dt id="T14-58-45">14:58:45 [jang]</dt><dd>eric: are we talking about republication?</dd>
<dt id="T14-58-59">14:58:59 [jang]</dt><dd>frank: possibly. There's certainly stuff that I'd like the group's review of</dd>
<dt id="T14-59-15">14:59:15 [jang]</dt><dd>fragments, non-prescriptive interpretation of schema, some new material, etc.</dd>
<dt id="T14-59-38">14:59:38 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-??P7</dd>
<dt id="T14-59-42">14:59:42 [jang]</dt><dd>bwm: asks frank if he'd like to move primer forward in the schedule.</dd>
<dt id="T15-00-32">15:00:32 [jang]</dt><dd>frank: I ca put this up independently</dd>
<dt id="T15-00-43">15:00:43 [jang]</dt><dd>people can look at sections they're particularly concerned about</dd>
<dt id="T15-00-47">15:00:47 [jang]</dt><dd>i can keep working away</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-01">15:01:01 [jang]</dt><dd>in particular, people might want to look at triple representation in the introduction.</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-15">15:01:15 [jang]</dt><dd>then people can look at other aspects of the primer or not as their fancy dictates.</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-21">15:01:21 [jang]</dt><dd>q+</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-22">15:01:22 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-??P0</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-24">15:01:24 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-AaronSw</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-25">15:01:25 [em]</dt><dd>ack em</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-33">15:01:33 [em]</dt><dd>q+</dd>
<dt id="T15-01-55">15:01:55 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>grr! zakim won't let me back on</dd>
<dt id="T15-02-11">15:02:11 [em]</dt><dd>q-</dd>
<dt id="T15-02-15">15:02:15 [jang]</dt><dd>q-</dd>
<dt id="T15-02-33">15:02:33 [jang]</dt><dd>after-hours discussion: path and guha natter.</dd>
<dt id="T15-02-53">15:02:53 [jang]</dt><dd>meeting closes</dd>
<dt id="T15-03-00">15:03:00 [jang]</dt><dd>AaronSw: it's the time</dd>
<dt id="T15-03-07">15:03:07 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>yeah</dd>
<dt id="T15-03-20">15:03:20 [jang]</dt><dd>action bwm / have a good holiday</dd>
<dt id="T15-03-20-1">15:03:20 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>still seems rude, tho</dd>
<dt id="T15-03-41">15:03:41 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>Have we approved all the test cases?</dd>
<dt id="T15-03-42">15:03:42 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-??P3</dd>
<dt id="T15-04-09">15:04:09 [AaronSw]</dt><dd>Or are we planning to do that next week?</dd>
<dt id="T15-04-36">15:04:36 [DaveB]</dt><dd>we approved a bunch previously, minutes just approved today</dd>
<dt id="T15-04-46">15:04:46 [jang]</dt><dd>it sounds like there are more test cases coming...</dd>
<dt id="T15-04-53">15:04:53 [jang]</dt><dd>from dts in particular</dd>
<dt id="T15-05-00">15:05:00 [jang]</dt><dd>mostly wordsmithing, I think.</dd>
<dt id="T15-05-23">15:05:23 [jang]</dt><dd>I've got time booked on monday to do a rundown and tidy-up.</dd>
<dt id="T15-06-00">15:06:00 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-??P1</dd>
<dt id="T15-17-10">15:17:10 [Zakim]</dt><dd>- +1.650.965.aabb</dd>
<dt id="T15-17-13">15:17:13 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-PatH?</dd>
<dt id="T15-17-13-1">15:17:13 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-Mike_Dean</dd>
<dt id="T15-17-16">15:17:16 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-Manola</dd>
<dt id="T15-17-21">15:17:21 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-DanBri</dd>
<dt id="T15-17-28">15:17:28 [Zakim]</dt><dd>-EricM</dd>
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