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  <h2>28 Apr 2009</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Joakim</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Veronique</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
  <hr />

  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; me zakim, ??P14 is
    Felix</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>florian</cite>&gt; just send the two
    emails to you</p>

    <p class='phone'>I can try to scribe...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; scribe:
    Veronique</p>

    <p class='phone'>Florian volunteers for scribing at the next
    teleconference</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; scribe for next
    meeting; Florian</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>florian</cite>&gt; ok :)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>previous meetings approved</p>

    <p class='phone'>zakim [VrijeUni] is me</p>

    <p class='phone'>next teleconf will be May 5th</p>

    <p class='phone'>F2F 4 in Stockholm 25-26 June</p>

    <p class='phone'>Joakim will make a Web application form for
    participating</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ITEM:</cite> open action items</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Thierry not here, still pending</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>still pending</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> Linked Open Data
    community are designing an API for feeding back metadata<br />
    ... upon query<br />
    ... in contact with this group</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> did not send an email,
    but Doug is on the phone</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> going forward, they assume
    that our group will define Use Cases and Requirements<br />
    ... have some overlap with theirs<br />
    ... best approach is a generic approach<br />
    ... there are few hard coded mapping values between
    properties<br />
    ... best approach would be a generic API that would return the
    value of a property defined at a generic level<br />
    ... problem: might be multiple values given by different format
    at different levels<br />
    ... should return an array<br />
    ... you have strated on a similar path in this group<br />
    ... diffence between intrinsic properties (file size) and
    extrinsic (annotation)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> yes, we have stumbled on
    the same problems<br />
    ... arrays of data and intrinsic/extrinsic properties</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> question of where it is
    stored, whether within or outside of the media document<br />
    ... what does it refer to, either the whole document or a part
    (one track or one temporal segment)<br />
    ... media is segmented via different parameters<br />
    ... should retrieve only metadata, not document itself<br />
    ... but hard to do</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>shepazu</cite>&gt; spec can be found
    here: <a href=
    "http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/">http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> annotation should refer
    to a specific instance of a document<br />
    ... you then have to find a way to adress this instance/ part
    of document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> any document contains
    different annotations, related to different pieces of the data,
    authored by different people and tools<br />
    ... my thought have changed since the editing of the spec<br />
    ... also things not taken into account there<br />
    ... listed some properties for which simple access should be
    provided but does not scale well<br />
    ... get method might be better approach<br />
    ... would define a method "getMetadata" giving the name of the
    metadata<br />
    ... that the vocabulary would understand<br />
    ... you can use whatever you want from this document</p>

    <p class='phone'>action 94 closed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - 94</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; ACTION-101
    pending</p>

    <p class='phone'>close, ACTION 94</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/102">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/102</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-102 pending</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/103">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/103</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> action 103 is about
    investigating the set of relationship types to add to our
    list</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-103 pending</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> for example relations
    between assets can be asserted by a sub property of
    dc:relation</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/104">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/104</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close, ACTION 104</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> it would be nice to refer
    to the latest standard in the spec</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; Felix: which is BCP
    47</p>

    <p class='phone'>BCP 47</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/105">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/105</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-105 pending</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; close ACTION
    104</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/106">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/106</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; close
    ACTION-104</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-104 Provide
    information about language identification, in addition to RFC
    4646 closed</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> work in progress</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-106 pending</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/107">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/107</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>updates have been published</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jean-Pierre:</cite> if we integrate
    again all the properties about techinal metadata<br />
    ... we come back to the initial list</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION 107</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/108">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/108</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION 108</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/109">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/109</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-109 pending</p>

    <p class='phone'>close ACTION 110</p>

    <p class='phone'>ITEM Status of the UC &amp; Req
    deliverable</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> we have to change the
    media objects to media entities<br />
    ... in that document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> publication is just to
    show to other people that we are making progress<br />
    ... important to publish even raw material<br />
    ... in favor of publishing updates even if the version is not
    stable</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> Felix, did you
    integrate the modifications suggested by Dave Singer?<br />
    ... what is there to integrate left?<br />
    ... besides the canonical processes Use Case?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> media fragment group is
    talking about media resources</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> maybe we should change
    our terminology</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> you can publish as often as
    you want</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> I can do the updates
    suggested by Dave Singer by tomorrow</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> in favor of publishing
    without the changes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; I am favour of
    publishing with the changes suggested by David</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> we can also add a subtitle
    specifying that the terminology is still being debated</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> will ask the group for
    objections against the publication of the UC document with the
    updates?</p>

    <p class='phone'>hearing no objections</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> we decide to publish
    it</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: We will
    publish Media Ontology and API Use Cases and
    Requirements</strong></p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> felix to ping doug after use case
    document is updated [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-111
    - Ping doug after use case document is updated [on Felix Sasaki
    - due 2009-05-05].</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to inform Doug when the updates
    are ready [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-112
    - Inform Doug when the updates are ready [on Felix Sasaki - due
    2009-05-05].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0065.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0065.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>close, ACTION 112</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> are we concentrating now
    on the new list of properties?</p>

    <p class='phone'>s/fusing/focusing/</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> difficult discussion
    about what properties to add<br />
    ... rename<br />
    ... remove</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> are we keeping working on
    the mapping table?<br />
    ... with the new properties in the center?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> the idea is to map the
    vocabularies to the new list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html">
    http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> so, yes, we'll go on
    working on the mapping table</p>

    <p class='phone'>ITEM Media Ontology document</p>

    <p class='phone'>Wonsuk did the updates in the document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> which list is pated in
    IRC</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> last part of the document
    will be the mapping table<br />
    ... middle part to be edited by Veronique and Victor<br />
    ... comments from the group are more than welcome<br />
    ... hope to have a revised version for next week</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> our update will be
    ready by the end of the week, I will send it to Wonsuk</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> I would like the final
    version of the mapping table<br />
    ... is the latest version the one to be included to the
    document?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I will do the last
    changes required and send the new version tomorrow</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> I will integrate the new
    version</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the mappings are not
    correct right now because we changed the semantics of some
    properties<br />
    ... do we publish this mapping table or update it before
    publishing?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> we indeed have to make a
    unique vesrion of the mappings, now challenger's opinion
    included in the table</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> original editor of the
    mapping should revise his/her version and make a final set of
    mappings<br />
    ... can people update the mappings before the next
    teleconf?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chris</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>florian</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> looks like it's feasible,
    so let's try to update the table, new version will be sent
    tomorrow</p>

    <p class='phone'>AOB</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to inform
  Doug when the updates are ready [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> felix to ping
  doug after use case document is updated [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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