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  <body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
          border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>MAWG - TPAC 2008
      f2f</h1><h2>23 Oct 2008</h2><p><a
        href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(DRAFT)">
      Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-irc">IRC
        log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
      <dl>
        <dt>Present</dt>
        <dd>Daniel, Wonsuk, Joakim, Veronique, Frank, Fabio, Erik, Davy, Felix, Silvia, Colm,
          Frank_(Canon), Herve, Daniel_(Expway), Youenn, Joerg, Karen, guillaume</dd>
        <dt>Regrets</dt>
        <dt>Chair</dt>
        <dd>Daniel, Felix</dd>
        <dt>Scribe</dt>
        <dd>fsasaki, raphael, Felix, erik</dd>
      </dl>
    </div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
      <li>
        <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
        <ol>
          <li><a href="#item01">meeting start</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item02">Introduction of the participants</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item03">charter review</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item04">MMSEM presentation</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item05">questionnaire on formats in scope / out of scope</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item06">presentations on specific formats</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item07">Top-Down Modelling Approach</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item08">requirements</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item09">requirements document timeline</a></li>
        </ol></li>
      <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
    </ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><h3 id="item01">meeting start</h3><p class="phone"><a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(DRAFT)">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(DRAFT)</a></p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribe: raphael</p><h3 id="item02">Introduction of
        the participants</h3><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> Chair of the group, work in
        Samsung, first time participation in W3C activities<br/> ... co-chair an internet protocol
        WG in IETF</p><p class="phone"><cite>Wunsok:</cite> Research Institute in Korea</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Joakim:</cite> Erikson (operating system for mobile phones), interest in
          IPTV<br/> ... background in image classification, indexing and retrieval</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Veronique:</cite> Vrij Universiteit in Amsterdam, work in the Cultural
        Heritage Domain</p><p class="phone"><cite>Frank:</cite> assistant professor in UvA in
        Amsterdam, worked in the MPEG-7 WG (responsible for DDL)</p><p class="phone"
        ><cite>Fabio:</cite> Paris, Thomson, interest in video over P2P</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>Erik:</cite> project manager in IBBT in Ghent (Belgium), co-chair of the Media
        Fragment WG, work with broadcasters and in the cultural heritage domain</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>Davy:</cite> researcher in IBBT Ghent, multimedia annotation</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; Raphael: was co-chair of MMSEM XG, now co-chair of
        media-fragments WG. Interested on NLP apllications and multimedia.</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; .. used to work previously in cultural domain setting</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Guillaume:</cite> South Africa, interest in languages, content
        management systems ... would like to consider videos as real structured documents</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> W3C staff contact, background in using XML-based or
        RDF-based languages for representing linguistics resources<br/> ... will leave W3C in March,
        there will be another staff contact</p><p class="phone"><cite>Silvia:</cite> run her own
        company in Australia, did Annodex, CMML, TemporalURI, work with Mozilla on accessibility of
        Video, active in the Open Source community</p><p class="phone">Colm Doyle: technical
        director of Blinx, a video company</p><p class="phone"><cite>Frank:</cite> observer from
        Canon research in France, what could be the link with the Media Fragment WG</p><p
        class="phone">Herve: also observer from Canon</p><p class="phone"><cite>David:</cite>
        Expway, expert in binarization of XML data, interest in media annotations</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Johan:</cite> observer from Canon, want to get an idea of what is going
        on here</p><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> going through the charter and the goals of
        the group</p><h3 id="item03">charter review</h3><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> goals
        is to provide a minimal ontology for representing metadata + to provide an API for accessing
        video metadata<br/> ... timeline is sharp<br/> ... goal of this f2f is to have quickly first
        draft documents</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> there will be a lot of missing
        pieces, this is the purpose<br/> ... we want to get quickly feedback from a wider
        community</p><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> shows the wiki page<br/> ... goes through
        the Use Case &amp; Requirements wiki page<br/> ... we will have another F2F meeting, in
        Ghent (Belgium) on 9 and 10 December</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> 2 more people
        join</p><p class="phone"><cite>Heuir:</cite> AC Rep of Siemens, Munich (DE), I was active in
        MPEG for descibing content of audio-visual content</p><p class="phone">Karen Myers:
        W3C</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; scribe: Felix</p><h3 id="item04">MMSEM
        presentation</h3><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; slides at <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/"
          >http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; joakim: looking at liaisons - who is member of I3A?</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; raphael: adobe, canon, many camera people</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; .. similiar membership as IPTC</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; .. difference between I3A and IPTC metadata is that in I3A
        there is four blocks of meta data</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; .. problem
        is that I3A (DIG35 metadata) is licensed, we had asked for tools for processing it, but
        there isn't</p><a name="action01" id="action01"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to add a link from WG page to the "still alive" MMSEM wiki
        pages and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-20 - Add a link from WG page to the \"still
        alive\" MMSEM wiki pages and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages [on Felix Sasaki
        - due 2008-10-30].</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick: erik</p><h3
        id="item05">questionnaire on formats in scope / out of scope</h3><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; scribe: erik</p><p class="phone">felix goes over
        questionnaire in-scope vs out-of-scope</p><p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> linking
        between standards is desirable</p><p class="phone">joakim/guillaume: is thumbnail data or
        metadata? it depends on UC</p><p class="phone">daniel/raphael: what is real definition of
        "media" in this WG?</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> primarily img, audio, video
        from questionnaire</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> methodology of interrelating
        existing ontologies might be good way to look at things</p><p class="phone"
        ><cite>veronique:</cite> maybe start from UC and find out what standards we need to
        describe</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> what do we really want? ... not excluding
        media (cfr. exif)</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> focus should be video</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> "temporal media" covers better the scope</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> discussion formats in-scope vs. out-of-scope should be
        video central (but the it should be looked at format by format if there's a good link)</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>erik:</cite> within Media Fragments WG, video is key (together with
        audio, image &amp; timed text)</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> even broadening and
        maybe considering haptic media too</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> motto keep it
        simple ... thus parts of MPEG-7 too low-level (color histograms)<br/> ... try to see overlap
        between all standards, then you probably already have some top-level stuff to start
        with</p><p class="phone">consensus out-of-scope: MPEG-21, SVG, SMIL</p><h3 id="item06"
        >presentations on specific formats</h3><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; raphael
        presenting on IPTC photo meta data</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; scribe:
        fsasaki</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> white paper IPTC photo metadata white
        paper in 2007<br/> ... IPTC photo metadata become a standard recently<br/> ... white paper
        authored by photo / image industry<br/> ... blocks: format descriptive, administrative,
        rights, technical<br/> ... each block points to some properties<br/> ... e.g. to EXIF</p><p
        class="phone">raphael describes some properties</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite>
        properties have names or controlled vocabularies<br/> ... e.g. for location they have geo
        names URI<br/> ... for person they propose controlled vocabularies, e.g. wikipedia<br/> ...
        in administrative: lots of things from EXIF, location from others<br/> ... rights metadata:
        they re-use plus<br/> ... for technical properties: EXIF + some additional properties<br/>
        ... physical type of original is enumerated list</p><p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite>
        how about different video formats?</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> it is for still
        images, not video</p><p class="phone"><cite>rapahael:</cite> the white paper was from 2007.
        Open issue: how to identify images?<br/> ... they use URIs to identify images<br/> ... they
        developed their own URI (HTTP URI) based scheme, not registered with IANA, but they have
        registered other schemes<br/> ... all metadata is embedded in a file, e.g. header of JPEG
          file<br/> ... currently anybody can modify the metadata<br/> ... so they don't know if
        somebody has modified the data<br/> ... it happens often in the image industry, that authors
        change the date of an image to have it published<br/> ... so the publisher want to have
        waterproof techniques to avoid these problems</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> a
        field said "maxium resultion is ..."<br/> ... how do they handle cases where the resultion
        does not fit?</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> currently they copy the metadata, so
        they have the danger of inconsitencies</p><p class="phone">going through the fields</p><p
        class="phone">no headline field</p><p class="phone">description - as a general field</p><p
        class="phone">location, person, event</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> encourage
        users to use a controlled vocabulary, say "this SHOULD be used", not with a MUST</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>guillaume:</cite> would be good to separate description and caption,
        also in the video</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> description is general</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Colm:</cite> there is captioning, close captioning, summary, OCRing as
        another track, logos, facial recognition etc.<br/> ... these all needs indiviudal tags</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>guillaume:</cite> hard to derive properties from these, better to
        describe properties from this</p><p class="phone">Joakim, Raphael: better to have general
        properties that can be specialized</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> who, what, when,
        why, where are important 5 "w"</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> for some properties
        there might be multiple occurences, that is different cardinality</p><p class="phone">there
        are different kinds of "locations", agreement that a location field is necessary, still need
        to decide whether one field, 2, more, ...</p><p class="phone">and how (hierachically) the
        properties should be structured</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; distinguish
        cataloging properties versus descriptive properties</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... thus not that bad to have different who, where, when, etc.
        for where the media has been captured, versus what it depicts</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>raphael:</cite> "who, when, what, where"<br/> ... see dublin core</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Dublin Core new Task Metadadata: <a
          href="http://dublincore.org/kernelwiki/FrontPage?action=AttachFile&amp;do=get&amp;target=KernelMetadataERCApplicationProfiles1_4a.htm"
          >
          http://dublincore.org/kernelwiki/FrontPage?action=AttachFile&amp;do=get&amp;target=KernelMetadataERCApplicationProfiles1_4a.htm</a></p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; s/metadadata/metadata</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>veronique:</cite> should properties here be also linked together in this
        group?</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> after verifying relationship between
        standards we can have a common ontology in W3C<br/> ... but we cannot have much more</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for V�ronique: this is most likely the hardest
        issue this group will have to solve</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> maybe not even
        mapping, just describe what is commonly used</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt;
        I would like to have relationships between the properties ... but add serious
        complexity</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> assuming that metadata type A has a
        "film" field, and type B has a "movie" field. We want to be able to work across these,
        right?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for Guillaume: modeling provenance
        of the metadata is important too</p><p class="phone"><cite>guillaume:</cite> do we want to
        document where metadata came from?</p><p class="phone">example in terms of API: having a
        method "getLength" which gives you back the length and the origin (type) of metadata</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Karen</cite>&gt; Felix reviews document from Metadata Working
        Group</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; I'm not sure we should go into a
        conflict resolution mechanism</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> should we also go for
        such a conflict resolution mechanism as in the mwp guidance doc?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; I would prefer to have the ontology modeling all the
        necessary provenance information ... and let the application deals with that</p><p
        class="phone">agreement to have no such conflict resolution mechanism</p><h3 id="item07"
        >Top-Down Modelling Approach</h3><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>guillaume</cite>&gt;
        <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top-Down_Modelling_Approach">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top-Down_Modelling_Approach</a></p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> is this an alternative approach to the bottom-up
        approach?</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> no, we should do both at the same
        time</p><p class="phone">frank continues presentation on "top down" appraoch</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>veronique:</cite> search and annotation are two parts of the same
        coin</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> true<br/> ... starting "top down" will help us
        to get the highlights we need<br/> ... proposal is to achieve a minimal set of properties by
        looking at use cases, overlap when, see what standards have, is that what we need, and so we
        link to them</p><p class="phone"><cite>guillaume:</cite> do we first need to make a list of
        tasks we want to support?</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> I think such a list would
        help to set priorities</p><p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> the "browse" task is
        different from "search"</p><p class="phone"><cite>veronique:</cite> search and browse is
        like accessing the data</p><p class="phone"><cite>frank:</cite> analyze is in the direction
        of "working with material"</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> propose to take the
        material in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top-Down_Modelling_Approach">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top-Down_Modelling_Approach</a> in the
        requirements document into account</p><p class="phone"><cite>veronique:</cite> link between
        different tasks and existing standards can be a way to describe fields of different
        standards</p><p class="phone">agreement to put the material into the requirements
        document</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; going through our use cases one by
        one and editing by wiki pages</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; Cultural
        Heritage UC</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; not only audio and video for the
        cultural heritage, but also we should think about others media types ?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; Felix is drawing on the board</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; UC: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/CulturalHeritageUC">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/CulturalHeritageUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; getting a data for annotation voca. how to use and change it
        can be parts of API draft</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>FD</cite>&gt; Felix: Example of a get
        API to get date information: getDate(URI, vocabulary)</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>FD</cite>&gt; Felix: vocabulary parameter could be "EXIF" for example</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; just moving UC discussion forward, and consider API
        issue later</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; coming back to the UC
        review...</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; some of low lever description can be
        parts of requirements...ex, interop. search, deploymet, fragment. etc</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; fragment parts may belong to another group (e.g., media
        fragment WG)</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; where to store URI and fragmented
        information ?</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; next UC: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/VideoUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/VideoUC</a></p><p class="phone"
        >discussing "The goal of this WG is to clean up this jungle and make our ontology support of
        commonly used properties for describing video content."</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; changing the above text into "the bridging of commonly used
        properties for..."</p><a name="action02" id="action02"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> guillaume to write a use case "interaction, navigation" [recorded
        in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't find user - guillaume</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; newly adding "We do not aim to solve the semantic mismatch
        problem but leave it to the schemes which are used for annotation/retrievel" at the bottom
        of Example</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new text proposed: We do not aim to
        solve the semantic mismatch problem but leave that to the application who creates the
        annotation / retrieval.</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; mapping between the
        different metadata may take palce in the Ontology document of the WG later.</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; UC: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MobileUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MobileUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; Mobile use case already widely spreaded in the world...</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; geolocation info when contents generated...and use
        location are both valuable aspects.</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt;
        geolocation in the web, for example: life logging...</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Raphael: I would point to a liaison with <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/">http://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/</a></p><p
        class="phone">raphael, good point</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; looking at
        Geolocation WG charter and homepage on the screen</p><a name="action03" id="action03"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to create a liaison to Geolocation WG [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-21 - Create a liaison to Geolocation WG [on
        Felix Sasaki - due 2008-10-30].</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; discussion:
        Support media adaptation for mobile device capabilities such as bandwidth, physical screen,
        audio and text. Media adaptation depending on business models and user preferences.</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; targeting for describing mobile device
        characteristics (screen size, codec style, etc)...in scope or out of scope ?</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; related activities are in OMA (Open Mobile Alliance)
        today</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; how to describe device characteristics
        is pretty different from media scope</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; dinner
        tonight together...:-)</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; PLING joint meeting
        tomorrow about Multimedia sharing</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; Mobile TV is
        deleted...</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; also, Geographic Location/Privacy
        WG in IETF: <a href="http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/geopriv-charter.html"
          >http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/geopriv-charter.html</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; resume: UC: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MultimediaPresentationUC">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MultimediaPresentationUC</a></p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; 7:30 .at lobby for dinner tonight</p><p
        class="phone">s/40 /30 /</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; adding a new
        sentence: "The WG is likely not to concentrate on this use case in the beginning but might
        come back to it later"</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; UC: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/RecommendUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/RecommendUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; going through UC</p><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite>
        amazon provides a service where users can search through data aggregated from different
          service<br/> ... such a service is similar to what we want to achieve with this UC</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; changing the title of UC: Recommendation across
        different media type</p><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> title of UC is better
        "Recommendation across different media types "<br/> ... for this UC metadata descriptions
        need to be unified</p><p class="phone"><cite>Joakim:</cite> AMG has a lot of metadata as a
        relational database, about movies, music, games, which is interrelated</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>wonsuk:</cite> searching videos in youtube, you get recommendations based on the
        video you choose<br/> ... our ontology could help that youtube could provide yahoo and other
        videos</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new UC discussion: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MultimediaSearchUC">
          http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MultimediaSearchUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; question: leave it out or keep as it is...there are several
        relative parts in others UCs</p><p class="phone">agreement to cover this UC not seperatly
        but cover it as part of other UC and the "top down" section</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new UC: multimedia sharing</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; no initial text for this UC</p><p class="phone">agreement not
        to cover this UC seperately</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new UC discussion:
          <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/PhotoUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/PhotoUC</a></p><p class="phone"
        >agreement to take this as an input to our main UC video into account</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new UC discussion: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MusicUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MusicUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; changed the title into *Audio*</p><p class="phone">agreement
        to take this as an input to our main UC video into account</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new UC discussion: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/NewsUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/NewsUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for music -&gt; audio</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; Veronique: moving it to the relared UC (e.g., museum or
        others...) to make broader scope</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; news is a
        domain specific use case ... not sure it should stand</p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... or might be like cultural heritage UC</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; TimeText for karaoke service on the TV, Mobile Phone</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; +1 for raphael suggestion</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>Felix:</cite> fine with having, it, just propose to take "XBRL" out of it</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; new UC discussion: <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/TaggingUC"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/TaggingUC</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; I am away for a while to glance at AC discussion (future W3C
        structure) since I am a AC of my affilition...sorry...</p><p class="phone"
        ><cite>veronique:</cite> we had said that we just provide a comon means to add / query tags,
        across formats, but not tackle the interoperabilty between tags</p><p class="phone"
        >agreement within the group</p><h3 id="item08">requirements</h3><p class="phone"><a
          href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6109"
          >http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6109</a></p><p class="phone">agreement that
        we need a means to have the metadata both in the media and outside</p><p class="phone"
        >requirement that we need to register a media type for external meta data</p><p
        class="phone"><a href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6113"
          >http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6113</a></p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; do you mean a registration at iana ?</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; w3c hates that .... though they have a precedent with
        xpointer</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; most of W3C folks dislike the
        idea</p><p class="phone">raphael, yes, at iana. I have done that before and I'm still alive,
        and Philippe is the contact to IETF</p><p class="phone"><a
          href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6130"
          >http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6130</a></p><p class="phone">discussing <a
          href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0085.html">
          http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0085.html</a></p><p
        class="phone">we will discuss this with raphael in the room</p><p class="phone">discussing
          <a href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6066"
          >http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6066</a></p><p class="phone">put it on the
        list of requirements, see later if we have people pushing for this</p><a name="action04"
        id="action04"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to go back to Karen and check about " IPTV metadata
        specification" - what is it, is it available for us? [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-22 - Go back to Karen and check about \"
        IPTV metadata specification\" - what is it, is it available for us? [on Felix Sasaki - due
        2008-10-30].</p><p class="phone">going back to <a
          href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0085.html">
          http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0085.html</a></p><p
        class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> distinction between abstract works and instances is
          good<br/> ... not sure what "manifestation" is</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite>
        example for work is "work from S.B. Bach". Expression is "particular performance by an
          orchestra"<br/> ... manifestation is "recording in a particular year". Item is "this
          CD"<br/> ... we can have this model for describing things, but do we have use cases for
        it?</p><p class="phone"><cite>veronique:</cite> we have only two levels - manifestation and
          expression<br/> ... we can have just one layer but allow people to have a specialization
        for using their scheme</p><p class="phone">discussion on usage of various models, their
        (wide?) usage</p><p class="phone">so no final resolution yet about this requirement - but we
        will put it in the WD and say "we are not sure about this requirement yet" and also ask the
        public for feedback</p><p class="phone">above is issue 6130</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>veronique:</cite> maybe specific to cultural heritage use case<br/> ... and have
        this requirement as something we tackle after the first version of the ontology is
        done</p><h3 id="item09">requirements document timeline</h3><p class="phone">on <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6113"
          >http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6113</a> again: proposal is to have for
        each property just a set of getter and setter function. Question: how does that relate to
        (hierarchy of) properties in the ontology</p><p class="phone">having initial version of the
        document in the next days, around a week for review within the working group, and
        publication of first WD after</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Daniel</cite>&gt; rssagent, draft
        minutes</p><a name="action05" id="action05"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to explain XMLSPEC to wonsuk [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action05"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-23 - Explain XMLSPEC to wonsuk [on Felix
        Sasaki - due 2008-10-30].</p><p class="phone">adjourned for today</p></div><h2><a
        name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
    Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to add a link from WG page to the "still alive" MMSEM wiki pages
    and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to create a liaison to Geolocation WG [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to explain XMLSPEC to wonsuk [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action05"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to go back to Karen and check about " IPTV metadata
    specification" - what is it, is it available for us? [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> guillaume to write a use case "interaction, navigation" [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br/> &nbsp;<br/> [End of
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