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<h1>SWXG Weekly telecon</h1>
<h2>22 Jul 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-swxg-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
<DD>rreck, AlexKorth, mischat, DKA, DaveReynolds, cperey, Phil_Archer, samcritchley, +49.238.aacc, AlexPassant, caribou, bblfish, hhalpin, FabGandon, +1.781.273.aaee,</DD>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Dan Applequist</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>rreck, PhilA</dd>
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<p><strong>NB</strong> These minutes were cobbled together from the IRC log after it was realised that RRS Agent was not in the room. AAAGGGHHHHH</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: requests speakers announce themselves for my benefit</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> scribeNick:rreck</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> I have to apologise I have not finished my actions. But I have found time to work on them today and tomorrow. Will mail the list when I think I am done with the work.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +hhalpin</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> Zakim, +49.238.aadd is me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +FabGandon; got it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: review the minutes from last week's call</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I cannot attend</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, it is 29 july</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: cannot attend the next meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> regrets from me (at least start of the call; will try to join later)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: today's call is about metrics</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i am away next 3 weeks also, but will update the Invites page before i leave</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Chair: DKA</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: any volunteers for the actions listed on the agenda?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> rreck: i entered a user story</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> q+</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees PhilA on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> context task force is very vague</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> harry: please finish actions they have left so that next meetings are more productive</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> I have not completed my actions either. I have 2 actions to complete. One summarise our chats, and the second one was to set up a git repo of T&Cs.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ack phila</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees no one on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i will get them done soon.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> http://www.w3.org/2007/uwa/wiki/New_Charter</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> phil: charter under development for working group about context awareness</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: very relevant effort</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> w</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> are they aware of what is happening in this XG?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: claudio should be interested in this</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: unbiquious web domain</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> no mention of the SWXG on the wiki </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> this is important</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> phil: let's not take too much time today talking about this since we have guests </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> agreed this is important work. And there is talk of actual output </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: recommends phil to invite <someone> to the next meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> s /<someone>/dave</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> nope</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> action: PhilA to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> 1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: let move on to the speaker SAm</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'>< -> MacTed has joined swxg</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> action: Archer to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG</p>
<p class='irc'><trackbot</cite>> noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot:</cite>> Created ACTION-60 - Contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG [on Phil Archer - due 2009-07-29].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/images/e/eb/20090721-GyPSii-overview.pdf</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: i have slides to supplement my talk</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> + +1.781.273.aaee</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: can everyone see the PDF?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Macted:</cite>> Zakim, aaee is OpenLink_Software</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +OpenLink_Software; got it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Macted:</cite>> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +MacTed; got it</p>
<p class='irc'><: -> lkagal has joined swxg</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Macted:</cite>> Zakim, mute me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> MacTed should now be muted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: gypsy is introduced since iphone and googlephone</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> GyPSii was PRIOR to iPhone and Android</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: location based app on Windows mobile in 2003</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> sorry i got that backwards</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> -cperey</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: focus is around recording your life </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: and publishing thereof, facebook and twitter</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> lifelogging, audio, video, image based recording of your life</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +cperey</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: user generated content is key</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: finding and making friends and where they are and have been</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: and what is around you</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: see where things are on a map, museums, gas stations</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: transport information</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: messages and newsfeed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: business model is advertising based, location based </p>
<p class='irc'><: -> AndreaP has joined swxg</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: content that is nearby. its in China and US</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AndreaP</cite>> zakim, code</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> I don't understand 'code', AndreaP</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AndreaP</cite>> zakim, code?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AndreaP</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> video of gypsii: http://www.gypsii.com/icache/video/intro_web.html</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: available on app stores. blackberry</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: Mobile Apps ? store, download & pre-installed. S60, BB, iPhone, J2ME</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +csma</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: we havent focused on mobile website in western areas</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: future technologies will change this</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: partners can use an API</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: supports 18 languages</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> + +1.617.800.aaff</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>>zakim, +1.617.800.aaff is karl</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> +karl; got it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: China is the busiest. cannot disclose the user numbers ATM</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: not the size of the largest networks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: slides 3 & 4 are screenshots</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: slide 5 is about security</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: default is not show location</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: everyone can see profile</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: Western areas are more concerned about this</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: content visibility default allows everyone to see it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: these settings can be changed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: friend of friend setting is being considered for the future</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: identification standard is important</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: since advertising is the business model. knowing the member is important to perpetuate this </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: importing and exporting media would be nice</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: there are potential conflicts of interest in developing this further</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: future sensor information would be useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: metrics are useful for investors</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> until how many members?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: opt in feature for adding comments</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> q+</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees mischat on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> zakim, unmute me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> mischat should no longer be muted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees mischat on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ack misc</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees no one on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: determining the impact of these features would be helpful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> mischat: how much information do you need from users aside from that provided by openID</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: email and mobile phone number is requested</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: we contact people through those vectors</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: we ask for name but cannot verify it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: we hope to collect additional information</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> mischat: are you allowing people to comment on locations?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: this requires identification of a place at a location. comments about that place is then possible</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> mischat: i believe the information you request is available through openID</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: can we retain that information?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> zakim, close action-60</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> I don't understand 'close action-60', PhilA2</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> mischat: yes, through an unique identifier. A URI</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> http://twitter.com/fil_rezo_net/status/2777730072</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> close action-60</p>
<p class='irc'><trackbot> attempting to close ACTION-60.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot:</cite>> ACTION-60 Contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> harry: this is still in development. and depends on the openID provider</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> tweet about gypsii slides "Profile Information.. allows you to choose who.. see your profile information.. either everyone, or just friends => is not security"</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> of course there is foaf+ssl, but perhaps too early for GyPSii</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> q+</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees bblfish on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: is there a fresh URI for attribute exchange and the direction of openID?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> zakim, mute me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> mischat should now be muted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ack bblf</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees no one on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yay to foaf+ssl</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> henry is speaking?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> Recent thread on OpenID Attribute Exchange vs SREG http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2009-July/009276.html</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> henry story </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> henry: is there a way to import your network?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> henry: there are approaches for accomplishing this in a semantically aware way</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: business drivers do not support this necessarily</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> you don't import networks you deal with them by reference http://esw.w3.org/topic/foaf+ssl</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> thanks for the clarification</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> the business benefits of Open Social Web</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees no one on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Harry: can you prioritize the top 3 business needs? </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> harry: for standardization</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> he gave us FOUR</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that's probably his top 4</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: its hard to say</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Sam: context information</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> karl, no plan for audience segregation is not that surprising</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Sam is going to STAY engaged</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> right??</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: can we move on to metrics?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> thanks Sam BTW</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/images/f/f2/Social_networking_metrics_July_2009.pdf</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: visuals that are words at the URL</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: i dont think social networks are websites</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: page impressions are not the right metric</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: im in the business of sizing things. comparing progress over time</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> this is the openID simple registration extension: http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_1-01.html</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: predicting change in the future. without sizing its hard to quantify for different audiences</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: who performs the metrics not always sharing it with the public</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> concerning my question to Sam earlier it was: "Would it be useful to for new users to be able to enter your service with their social network allready - a bit like openid attribute exchange makes it easy to import simple attributes when arriving at a service" answer: "yes, that would be great -- but business models would need to be defined" (That's how I understood it)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: twitter shows an number of followers or contents published</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> we did something like this on http://qdos.com/ we count and give you numbers about people on the web </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: what can you measure? what are the units?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: units over time is important, since change is what people are interested in</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: i do not like measuring the number of accounts created since its not relevant or useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> for example we count items assosicated to a user: http://qdos.com/celeb/Barack-Obama/6050a1f1a818bf959f70afbd46273dea-ext/turtle. We use ad-hoc metrics though ..</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> mischat do you count the number of links to a person's blog as a measure?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> mattroweshow: i cant recall, but yeah i recall doing some alex based counting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: a person can create multiple account </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i think time spent on the service is important</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: engagement metrics are useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: what is the role of the W3C in this process</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: can the people on the call please comment on the role of the W3C</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> DKA: the web wasnt intended to be measured the way it is</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> zakim, unmute me</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> rreck should no longer be muted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> harry: i didnt defend webpage views as a metric</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> q+</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees bblfish on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> harry: i think we should recommend a set of metrics that are useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> I wonder if metrics around social interactions wouldn't be more valuable in the world of the social web - e.g. number of interactions, quality of interactions, messages, calendars, comments left, tagging...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> q+</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees bblfish, PhilA on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i agree with DKA</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees bblfish, PhilA on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> DKA +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey agrees with harry about recommending appropriate metrics. build tools into the system to support gathering that metric</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: attention or engagement are words that are useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> user's might not what that information exposed. </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees bblfish, PhilA on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> exactly mischat</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> s/'s//g</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ack bblfish</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees PhilA on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> q+ to say that there is also an oportunity for schemas used by and for these metrics</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees PhilA, FabGandon on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> totally agree</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> 1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> In this world of "one social network" it might still be useful to measure "where" people spend their time within this network...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> there is one global social network so gathering number of users of any given network is not particularly helpful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> people value and contribution to the network value are different</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees PhilA, FabGandon on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: objects shared is something that can be measured</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> that may help weight the various counts collected </p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ack phila</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees FabGandon on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees FabGandon on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> we are out of time, which the scribe gratefully acknowledges</p>
<p class='irc'><: -> karl has joined swxg</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Yes, Phil!!! Thank you!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to Phil (that was the point ref http I was trying to make)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> there is a ton of useful stuff im not capturing</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> q?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees FabGandon on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cperey: it doesnt have to be in a browser to have impact</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ack Fab</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> FabGandon, you wanted to say that there is also an oportunity for schemas used by and for these metrics</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>: Zakim</cite> sees no one on the speaker queue</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Fabien: I'm very much intersted in the discussion around metrics</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> ... the schemas around the metrics are also key</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> 1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> FabGandon: we could work on schemas on the metrics</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> .. based around heterogenous networks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assortativity</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Fabien: If someone has spent CPU time on a task, if he can put it back in the network saying what and how he calculated it - would be good</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> e.g. calculate the associativity of a network - I'd like to know that data later</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> ... from a W3C P.O.V. there's also a point about the input nad output of these metrics</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> e.g ; here http://ns.inria.fr/semsna/2009/06/21/voc.rdf</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> seems like we could talk more about this later</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> thanks!!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> DKA: Anotehr thing - one of the engines that keeps the innovation going is that good metrics are improtant</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> or create a document that makes a recommendation</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> ... once metircs are established they tend to staick around even if they're fundamtally useless</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> ... the XG can take a lead on working out what is useful</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Christine: I'm glad to have had the opp. to bring it up</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Thaks evetone, bye</p>
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